this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2023
-7 points (41.5% liked)

Asklemmy

43170 readers
2430 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy πŸ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

[Mention your Sex if you are comfortable, I want to see the breakdown between the sexes here]

I just tried to skim through Linux User Manual and it was really quite informative and made me think of reading it someday, but I kinda know for a fact that that someday might never come, but it's truly a shame though.

Now, you, yes you! Have you read the user manual of your Operating system!

[I am wasting a lot of time on here, so I won't be engaging or enraging y'all, but this is a good convo topic, isn't it? (try that on a girl), I just wanted to know how many or how few people read UMs]___

all 47 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Operating systems come with usermanuals? I've read a fair bit of the archwiki and manpages if that counts

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes I’ve read the entire Unix manual

Sex: Never

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But surely you learned some crazy, deep-cut Unix tricks for dealing with the second issue?

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's on page 1549, fourth paragraph down, "if you're reading this it's too late you're never going to have sex" -Richard Stallman

[–] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

With all due respect, hell no

[–] elvith@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

I got a manual (or just a general book about DOS?) with my first MSDOS PC, which I read. Otherwise no. I have read books about Linux or specific parts of Windows/Linux, but no β€œofficial” manual.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never even thought about the fact that there might be actual manuals for operating systems

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll follow-up with the similarly naive: does Windows have a Linux-like thorough user manual? I've never even considered it.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I have no clue. Somehow, I expect people to just know things. Not really how it works, is it

[–] TomMasz@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

There's a manual?

[–] Moghul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I had no idea they had user manuals.

[–] autumn@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, because documentation should be more like a dictionary than a novel - it's written to convey info quickly and accurately, not interestingly. πŸ˜†

Next time no need to add on apologetic stuff at the end of your post. People will engage with your post or not, it's the Internet, it's fine

[–] ptman@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

There are different kinds of documentation https://diataxis.fr/

[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Looks like they're coming over from reddit. Obligatory "women, not girls you incel. Go outside and touch grass".

Reading an OS manual cover to cover is a collosal waste of time. There are more efficient ways to level up skills. But what do I know with my gIrLy LoGiC.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I read most of the DOS 6.0 manual around 1994. This was the era of memory management. Computers had 640k of conventional memory despite my PC having 4M of total ram. Every TSR you could extract out to high or extended memory would have a massive impact on the performance of high demand applications (like all my important applications from Lucas Arts...). I managed to get mouse, soundcard, video, and other drivers loaded and still have 580+K of free conventional memory.

Now I design web scale server architectures capable of handling hundreds of requests per second with five 9's of uptime (for a few years anyway), and that memory management, from back when I was a tween, is still one of my proudest technological achievements. Thanks DOS manual!

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never read the manual for an operating system, but I always read the terms of service for websites I sign up for.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll take, "Worst of all possible worlds for $500, Alex."

It's not too difficult, in fact many websites reuse the same terms and conditions, which means you can skim it over. I read it for the citations among other reasons, which I do by doing the CTRL + F trick.

I forgot what website it was, but there was a website that put in a large cash prize designed to be claimable by whoever read the terms of service. It took six months before there was ever a winner.

[–] callyral@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's always good to read TOS even though I don't

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I usually just read the sections relevant to me.

As useful as they are, user manuals are usually not known for their prose

[–] Trent@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, male. I read everything I could find about my Commodore 128 and how it worked internally. Taught myself assembler.

[–] LongPigFlavor@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Male. I've never read it. I use windows 11.

I have read all of the Linux Kenel documentation, but am not close to reading every manual for every program.

[–] blivet@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the entire manual that came with the Macintosh LC that my wife and I bought in 1990.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, now that you mention ancient times, I think I read through the entire DR DOS 6 manual.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've read the Gentoo handbook and Sakaki's old guide, if that counts.

Reading the entire user manual doesn't seem relevant. IMO it is a reference work; like reading all of Wikipedia or a dictionary. A manual is not a tutorial, and neither are a wiki reference article database. Most users likely expect a more intuitive design where the proper reference materials either make themselves available when needed or are never needed at all.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Not since the big white book that came with the Commodore PET.

55M. Read many manuals of many operating systems over the years. Knowledge is never wasted, you can never know everything.

[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

[Male] Twice+. I have read both the manual of the TI99/4A and the manual of the C64 several times over, and on top of that, also the Data Becker books on the C64 and the C1541 that include the OS' (well-)commented sources. I actually had to purchase both Data Becker books twice, as the first books started to fall apart.

I have also read nearly all the manuals of the Amiga 1000, including the application manuals and the programming documentation.

[–] relevants@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Not completely, but back in like 2011 there was an official iOS user guide available as a PDF, and having just gotten an iPad I did go through a decent chunk of it learning about what I could (and couldn't) do with it.

[–] bdesk@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Piece of wet cardboard here. Can't read. What's an operating system?

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I remember reading some old technical manuals for windows 95 way back in the day. Taught me heaps about PnP, bus arbiters and so on.

To be fair, I probably didn't use that knowledge all that much as PnP and ACPI actually worked really well (I was fortunate enough to only have to deal with DOS as far as himem and whatnot...)

The old GUI style guidelines were fantastic back in the day too - completely unlike the anything-goes approach to modern software development (very different pros and cons, basically), especially in windows-land.

Am male

[–] callyral@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i have read the arch linux installation guide and a significant portion of the wiki. it's very useful

[–] Jajcus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I have never used Arch Linux, but have read their wiki a lot. It is really very useful.

[–] ougi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

this is a good convo topic, isn’t it?

not really, speaking as someone whose day job is systems programming

(try that on a girl)

you are such a slimy little incel, lol

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We have a lot of machines that run on HP unix at work. I read a lot of those manuals as I didn't want to break anything. It's very annoying to use coming from modern Linux.

I read some of the 9front documentation and a lot of the Debian administrator's handbook. I'm weird and just like operating systems though.

[–] floppy@rabbitea.rs 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the entire set of Amiga manuals, and the one for the Spectrum +3 (we're stretching the definition of Operating System here, but +3DOS is still an operating system)

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's cool, I was just watching a video on a resurgence in Sega Saturn game creation. Did you do/make anything with that knowledge?

[–] floppy@rabbitea.rs 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Umm... maybe. It went into my cup* of knowledge!

*I put something else here but it got corrected and then I couldn't remember what I put.

[–] zeusbottom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, I read the manual all the time. I have a short memory for each tool’s options and syntax.

Have I read it cover to cover? No, and I never will.

[–] Rocky60@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Male. My first computer was an iMac 333. It came with a book, that I read from start to finish, then proceeded to use it for nothing but Soundjam (iTunes) and Hoyle Cards

[–] ptman@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I've read some old DOS manual. And several Linux books back from the days when Linux came on CDs alongside books.

[–] Saigonauticon@voltage.vn 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but not for anything Unix-like or Windows. More like small operating systems for some piece of specific hardware. One that comes to mind is some custom OS for a small robot that maps rooms.

Probably the longest technical document I know very well is the datasheet for AVR microcontrollers (the full one, not the summary). Those are 170-300 pages long, depending on the exact chip. They detail how every feature of the chip operates and is accessed. It's pretty normal in my occupation to know one or two chips really well.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I have read the entire code base of the MINIX operating system. Does that count?

[–] colonial@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I mean, my time came around long after the age of hundred-page software manuals. But I've spent a good portion of my life knee-deep in man pages and Google searches, which kinda counts?