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Nobody elected her in the first place, this is ridiculous. She's been terrible at every job she had.
She was elected by the European Parliament (elected by all citizens) at the proposal of the council, which is formed by the heads of government (elected by all citizens).
I'm not saying that the system is good, but between that and not being chosen by anyone, I think there is a lot of distance. Now she is clearly the EPP candidate so whoever votes for them will know who they vote for, I wish the rest of the groups did the same.
If we nitpicky here: She is the CDU/CSU candidate now. The EPP candidate is formally decided next month.
Now she is clearly the EPP candidate so whoever votes for them will know who they vote for,
No they won't, as is evident by the very fact she got this office in the first place.
I still wonder why people think, that they vote for the commission president in the european elections. You vote for a party and then the parliament elects the president. If the front runner of the winning faction does not get a majority in parliament, they won't be elected.
Yeah, she was elected. Can't really say if she's been good or bad, a bit of both I think.
Having the council of ministers select a candidate and then have the parliament vote on it seems like an acceptable way of doing it, especially since its the job of the commission to look to the entire bloc and not any specific country.
What would be a better way of selecting a commission president?
Voters were promised it'd be one of the faction's front runners in the election.This would have been the better way of doing it, as voters would have gotten an influence on the commission president and would have known what to expect. Then the council said "lol no" after the fact and parliament went with it. Basically our representatives chose to not represent us.
It doesn't sound like you have a problem with the way elections are done but more about who was elected?
What you suggested doesn't change the way the president is chosen.
I don't know why UvdL was chosen. Do you?
I have a problem with politicians misleading the electorate (yes, I know that's sadly common).
While I think UvdL is incompetent, corrupt and should be in prison, I am also a democrat and therefor accept that politicians I don't agree with can and will be elected. What I can't accept is telling the voter "if you vote for party A, we will put B in office and do C" and then after the election doing a 180, putting X in office and/or doing Y. Because at that point voting becomes roulette instead of an informed decision.
I would have less of a problem if they hadn't promoted the whole front runner thing in the first place, because then they wouldn't have falsely advertised their intentions. EU institutions beside the parliament have a legitimacy issue already, stunts like this only emphasize that.
I don't have any strong opinions on UvdL myself. Some things she seems to have done well, some things very badly, like the phone text messages not being made public.
Like you I'm very much a democrat and I agree fully, except that I also think that the nature of politics is that compromises will have to be made. So if you don't do what you say you will, then you will have to have something to show for it, and the voters will tell you if it was enough.
The post-truth and identity politics infuriate me to no end though.
You are represented by the parties you vote for.
I am represented by the entirety of the parliament. But true representation also requires being honest about your intentions so people can make informed decisions about who they want to represent them.
I don't understand how this is possible after the German Defense Ministry 'illegally' wiped von der Leyen's phone in 2019 when she was German minister, although she admitted mistakes, but denied responsibility in defence contract scandal as defence minister, didn't disclose her 'Pfizer texts' as Commissioner during the pandemic.
We needed more democracy in the EU, more transparency imo.
She showed documented child rape material in a closed meeting (I think it was to press?) to gain support for her online regulation/blocking efforts. It's when I learned of the term demagoge.
Between that, her work as a defense minister (costly contracts to contractors) and no improvements to the military, and what you said, I feel like at least I don't hear as much or as bad things of her as president. Which alone is a low bar of course.
Sure Zensursula. Just show us those SMS before we think about it, alright?
Get her out
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