Asklemmy

Why do not more people choose a matrix server and use a decentralized way of communication instead of committing themselves to this or that app/company?

Because most people they know use WhatsApp/Facebook/Instagram.

I think you mean Signal.

Why does anyone choose Telegram or WhatsApp over Signal which is encrypted and audited? (Probably features I don’t care about, but they do)

I don't understand the love for Telegram.

In the short period of using it I had so much BS come through by scammers/spammers - both as DMs and group messages. I've rarely had that with WhatsApp.

In my eyes WhatsApp is far better than Telegram. And Signal is far greater than WhatsApp. The only thing I wish Signal had was inbuilt GIFs; it's not that much of an issue on mobile but it's a pain on desktop.

People don't choose, people use whatever most people around them use. Whatsapp and telegram are both centralized, and shouldn't be trusted because, by the nature of it, they can (and eventually will) turn user-hostile.

Messengers come and go, if we really want to make some progress in this area, we should embrace federated and p2p protocols as the logical evolution. Anything else is just wasting time and user privacy.

Telegram gives me:

• Roll-their-own encryption off-by-default without cross-device support or group chat available.
• The ability to talk to strangers I don't want to talk to
• An open source client, but a proprietary, non-federated server
• An unmoderated social network that's a free-for-all for crypto scammers, extremists, and other nuts

WhatsApp gives me:

• Signal's encryption algorithm on all chats
• Whatsapp web (still with encryption)
• Encrypted group chats
• The ability to talk to human beings I actually know and want to talk to

Neither respects my privacy.

Not sure why I would bother attempting to use Telegram again.

If most people used Telegram, Meta would have bought it instead of WhatsApp.

a) because it's what everyone I know uses

b) telegram is not end-to-end encrypted by default. And not end-to-end encrypted at all for group chats. That's kind of a dealbreaker. Telegram is one of the last messaging apps I'd recommend.

I didn't choose. Literally every single person with a smartphone in my country uses whatsapp so that's what I use too.

Why do people choose Telegram over Signal? Signal encrypts everything by default, unlike Telegram which only "encrypts" messages in a (iirc) secure or secret chat. Fortunately, EU is forcing all major gatekeepers' messaging apps to be able to communicate with other messaging apps. I, finally, will be able to break free from WhatsApp and use Signal. Uninstalling WhatsApp and requesting for a deletion of my account; a dream come true soon.

We don't choose which app we use. Our friends, family, and colleagues do.

I could live with Signal's functionality, but there barely anybody there.

Telegram is owned by Russians and the server is proprietary closed-source. I prefer Signal.

I use email with GnuPG. Everything else is woefully insecure. BTW, I have no friends.

WhatsApp became the defacto messaging app in south America over a decade ago. Sms was really expensive so people opted for WhatsApp which was cheaper over data and you void send pics at a time where no carriers allowed mms. Now almost all carriers have unlimited WhatsApp as part of data plans. Switching to telegram is pretty much imposible

WhatsApp was there first and it was useful in countries where you paid for each individual SMS.

The perceived usefulness of a network, platform, or communication protocol increases with its relative adoption. That's known as "network effect", and network effect is at strongest for anything regarding direct communication - such as messaging platforms.

In other words: WhatsApp is used by lots of people, and this discourages people to migrate over better alternatives, like Signal (my choice) or Telegram (OP's).

Messaging apps are tricky, you can't just pick what's the "best" because it's primary function is to message people, so the best app is what can do that.

If nobody you want to message uses telegram, or signal, or matrix, than they aren't very good messaging apps FOR YOU.

You have to start using the app, then start convincing everyone else to use it, and that's quite a hurdle, when most people you know use the "good enough" Whatsapp, or even just SMS, or iMessage.

It sends text to people. Even pictures or videos if needed. What more features would I need?

I don't know anyone that uses telegram. Whatsapp is just the standard, though many people have switched to Signal.

Telegram is worse than WhatsApp in terms of security. It doesn’t even use audited encryption by default.

I just roll with all 3 🤷

• Signal for friends and family
• Telegram for my own personal bots and hobby development projects
• WhatsApp for the rest of the friends group that refuse to switch to signal

Half of the people I regularly talk to are on WhatsApp. I don't like it but that's reality, it's hard to get them to migrate because this means that people THEY talk to would have to do the same. Also a good chunk of them use rakuten Viber. Now why do they use THAT? It's bloated, ad-ridden, and buggy. Almost nobody I know is on telegram. In fact most are still using Facebook messenger.

Because it what the people, I need to contact with, use.

As many have pointed out, it isn't really our choice, since we have to get along and use what most people around us use.
The only solution I see is if the government mandates every messenger to use a common protocol allowing all to co-operate.

Most people don't care that it's owned by Meta. They just want to be on the platform everyone else is on.

people use the messaging app that their friends are on
doesn't matter if it's objectively terrible

I know a handful of people on WhatsApp, a handful more on Signal, and a single person on Telegram who is a bit strange and thinks the world is a simulation (he's a hoot). So, basically I don't use Telegram at all because the only person I know on there isn't someone I'd want to communicate with anyway.

Simply because everyone is using WhatsApp. And people want to use something that will let them be able to reach almost all their contacts.

Yet I do prefer & use Threema.

Telegram has no end-to-end encryption for normal messages

I use them all, but whatsapp prevails all, because Whatsapp was there first.

What's more important is that we know whatsapp is not the only device, and can be easily replaced.

Why would I use russian whatsapp owned by russian Zuckerberg living in Dubai?

If anything Signal would be the superior alternative.

But as stated by other ppl before me, I use whatsapp because at least where I live almost everyone uses it and Telegram is for conspiracy theories and Nazi or russian propaganda.

Every person that i have ever talked to in my country use whatsapp and none use telegram

Riddle me this - Some people's argument against using telegram is that it is not as secure as WhatsApp(which on face value is true because WhatsApp is E2E encrypted while telegram is not E2E encrypted). Other people claim that only hackers and terrorists use telegram and that is why they don't use telegram. My question is why are people like hackers and terrorists using telegram in the first place if it has worse security while having no upsides for these kinds of individuals.

People don't care what's superior, they care about if their friends are already on the app. And whatsapp built up that critical mass first, so it's the default.

People don’t care what’s better. Most people won’t try anything new if the existing stuff is not severely broken.

while I have used telegram in the past, the association of it being used heavily by cookers and q idiots really just put a bad taste in my mouth

In my circles, it became popular during the pandemic and a number 1 source of misinformation, with an unnerving amount of obvious links to Russian propaganda- covid related, yes.

So after seeing the extreme antivaxxers join the telegram train, and seeing how gullible acquaintances got "tips" from their telegram groups, I just couldn't take the app seriously. I understand logically maybe the app itself is better than WhatsApp, I understand this may be just my personal experience and that there was just as much trash on WhatsApp. But having my sane contacts using WhatsApp already and my family on Signal, I never saw the need to switch.