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[–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (34 children)

I think I'm in the smallest minority, but I haven't tipped in close to a decade. When people ask me why, I answer with the question "when was the last time you tipped your grocer l, fast food window attendant or the person at the hardware store that brought out your 100lbs of lumber? " answer is always never and I say exactly.

[–] Goo_bubbs@lemmings.world -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (23 children)

When was the last time you worked and didn't get paid for it? Why do you feel like you're justified to come to a person's place of work and make them be at your beck and call, but you don't think that these servants deserve their own food or livelihood?

There's nothing intelligent or admirable about this behavior. Quite the contrary, it's simply a disgusting lack of respect for other human beings.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

So you agree that they should be paid a living wage. I believe the employer should pay them enough, not customer to pay them on top of the already paying for the food.

[–] Goo_bubbs@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, I agree with you. They should be able to make a living wage. Unfortunately, when you refuse to tip you don't hurt the owner. Instead, you hurt the employee.

[–] Shush@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You do, but if no one would tip owners would compensate the employees because they must make at least minimum wage.

The fact of the matter is that owners get to pay his employees less by having customers pay for it instead. You can call it tips, but what is really is - it's the money the employer should have gave them.

And then we can stop the entire ritual of shame and guilt where you tip just to not be judged by everyone around you for being "cheap", even though you paid for the costs of the food you ordered.

[–] Goo_bubbs@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's the money that the owner should have given them, but you're not solving the problem by stiffing your waiter. You're just going to make things worse for them.

[–] Shush@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And that's the issue - the blame is shifted to the customers. Damned if you do (enforce this terrible system), damned if you don't (make waiters have less money).

The change need to be systematic and from the root. But it will never happen with so many just accepting the system, and so many more defending it so strongly.

[–] Goo_bubbs@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's really a cultural problem, and there's no easy solution. I certainly don't know how to fix it. I think it would require everyone not tipping or every server everywhere demanding a higher wage.

Honestly, I hate tipping as much as the next guy. If I decide to tip someone I should be able to feel good about it, like I'm giving them a bonus, rather than feeling guilt-tripped or obligated to do it.

Unfortunately, the system is just set up in a way that sucks for both customers and employees, and the only way you can eat in a nice restaurant and not be an asshole is by tipping your server.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago

Boycot the restaurant

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