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[โ€“] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Intolerance. Intolerance is the one thing you don't tolerate. It being a rhetorical paradox doesn't mean it's difficult to implement.

[โ€“] Galluf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It absolutely is because there are things that you where you cannot tolerate both oposing viewpoints. There's also things that you do not want to tolerate.

Unless you believe it's not okay to be intolerant of murder.

I hope that helps illustrate how it's not just a rhetorical paradox. It's a conceptual one too. Much of the time, it's not tolerance vs intolerance. It's picking between two flavors of intolerance.

[โ€“] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I mean if you're expanding the argument to things as well, then yeah, it becomes rather unwieldy. But if you constrain it to intolerance for people, then it remains rather simple.

[โ€“] Galluf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not at all. I'm not talking about just things. I'm also talking about about people.

It is not simple to determine the extent to which to tolerate different groups of people. Unless you're saying that you want to be equally tolerant of murderers, races, all religions, and people who like pineapple on pizza.

[โ€“] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Murder falls under intolerance. Religion can exist without being intolerant, but often doesn't. The smell test really is pretty simple: if you're not actively hurting someone besides yourself, you should be tolerated. Along with that, we decide that intolerance for other reasons (ie, because of a person's genetic makeup or mode of expression) is itself harmful.

Now we can find tune and dicker about where that line of injury is, and of course there are special cases where the alleged hurt is spread around and it's hard to decide how to adjudicate that, but that's what the law and all its apparatus is for, after all.