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although it's interesting research, I think it's a weak text if you're even tangentially aware of Telegram's bullshit narrative as it focuses on the wrong thing. the main point should be "this dude was caught lying on a number of occasions and throws out smoke-screens and FUD when confronted about super-simple stuff. therefore nothing that comes outta his mouth is to be trusted" which should've prompted a mass exodus from this bullshit platform a long time ago.
the way more important issue is the collective action problem of dumping this crapware - leave it for what?
I run XMPP and Matrix servers and use various clients, along with Signal. all of those things are fucking dogshit software, there isn't one that can come close to Telegram's UX. if you fell into a coma in 2014 and woke up now to Element of Fluffy or whatever, you'd think someone's pulling your leg. this is what a decade of development looks like?!
Yeah, it really sucks that the closest feature parity and ui/ux parity in messengers is proprietary services.
Even signal isn't there. Mind you, they can't offer all the same options by virtue of prioritizing encryption as the default, not afaik, with things like the easier syncing of messages.
I like matrix and it's various apps fine overall, but they are definitely behind in polish and usability features. They just aren't great as a primary messaging option. That's ignoring the difficulty of onboarding people, which is tangential to this, but still relevant since it doesn't matter how great a messenger is if you can't use it with anyone. Since the lack of features and ui/ux issues prevent onboarding, it's a real problem.
IMO getting Matrix's UI to work like apps people are familiar with is an order of magnitude less effort than any other option, and possibly an order of magnitude better than other options in terms of meeting the design goal of private messaging.
OTOH I don't make UI's 🤪
I've heard that from some code minded folks before though, so I don't think you're wrong. ElementX is better than regular element in that regard already. Been a while since I tried anything else since I only have one person that I communicate regularly with on there. Everyone else is more sporadic, so I haven't had as much impetus to keep up on apps as much as I used to.