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Sue YouTube. They won't change meaningfully until forced to.
Sue for defamation that Youtube are alleging he is promoting criminal activity of piracy.
I mean maybe if YT said that? The only thing they said is that it's "harmful" somehow. And they won't elaborate anymore than that.
If harmful isn't defined in the ToS, then the Merriam Webster definition will likely be construed to mean to be harmful to YouTube's business or to users. Although YouTube has been selective in this enforcement, ie not banning all videos pertaining to martial arts or fighting clips, drug use, or ad block tutorials.
That just answers a question that no one is asking. This is not an issue of defining words, it's an issue of what the words are referring to, exactly.
Exactly, I haven't read the ToS to see if it is defined or references anything in there. I usually default to the standard definition of a word unless explicitly stated otherwise. For example, Sony changed the definition of purchase to remove any notion of ownership when buying content on their streaming platform.
What? LOL no, not "exactly". Again the definition is not in question. The question is what the word is referring to.
if they haven't defined it, then legally it is meant in the broadest sense, isn't it?
I don't know how to be more clear about this. The definition is not in question. It doesn't matter what sense it's being used. What matters is the subject of the harm.
totally clear. and exactly the subject is the broadest: harmful to anyone or anything
If that were true there would be no videos and no YouTube.
of course the eventual enforcement is left to the service provider (google) as it often is how it works. when you can't define something with 100% precision, you leave some room for interpretation. they can then decide what to do on a case by case basis.
Just did a cursory search for harm on the YouTube ToS. There is no definition that I saw, but it does say "may cause harm". So my suspicion that anything could be construed to be harmful to YouTube's business is likely correct. Quoted sections of the YouTube ToS containing the word "harm" as of 2025-06-06 17:20 GMT.
Okay, I get it. I'm being trolled. Well played, I guess.
I meant in the ToS, but no, troll not my intentions. I thought I was agreeing with you and just expounding on your point.
YouTube didn’t publicly make that claim though, so they haven’t done any defamation.
Like google, I'm sure Jeff has a near unlimited supply of money to pay lawyers.
But being a pushover is not the answer, so...
It absolutely is on an individual level in a system where capital decides who writes the laws and who gets justice. The way you push back is by organizing as a class or at least a group.
Neither is throwing money away on a lawsuit with no chance of success.
I think what you mean to say is that we should be pressuring public officials to try to bust up Google's monopoly on many things. And we are doing that, and it is showing some progress. But there is much more work to be done.