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Debian users analyzing graphs in order to estimate when they can upgrade from really old software to slightly less old software 🤣
I know you're joking but with flatpaks and app images you don't even notice the oldness any more.
This is like Nostradamus for me. I don't want to update and deal with potential breaks.
If this is all people cared about they'd be using Sid. Debian Stable is stable. It's not there to be flashy and new. It's there to work and stay working.
Yes, indeed. Even agreed! Joking i was, poking some fun. All in jest, even the emoji couldn't put the overly serious answers to rest!
Actually I'm waiting on Debian 13 to get Incus 6.0 LTS! Current machines with LXD 5.0 are starting to annoy me.
It's on backports :D
(I'm actually running it from the Zabbly repos.)
I know, but I can't enable backports. Same goes for the risks with using the Zabbly and their dependencies.
Ah, sucks :(
I'm looking forward to see where Incus OS goes, or TrueNAS Scale. Honestly, I was very tempted to automate a procedure to take a Proxmox ZFS install and replace the Proxmox bits with Incus bits :) Incus + ZFS as an appliance would be nice. I kinda don't want to think about the underlying OS.
That will be the end of Proxmox. And I really hope it happens fast.
I dunno, I still have a soft spot for Proxmox. I want ZFS, so it's about the only game in town with support.
(TrueNAS Scale looks good, but it would increase too much my Hetzner costs, because of their requirement of having a dedicated root pool. And I don't want an LTS distro that supports root-on-ZFS "oficially". That narrows the field quite a bit.)
(For work and for my workstations, I'm very pleased with Incus on top of Debian... but that's because I don't need ZFS on those.)
I upgraded to Trixie last week.
It already worked as flawlessly as I'd expect it when the release is official.
It installed a bunch of new packages, removed the same number of obsolete ones, and upgraded everything else.
On the next apt update, it asks to reformat sources.list and that's it.
Yeah, I did that in a system as well and seems to work, for for the others I'll have to wait for the final release, too critical. I'm one of those guys who runs a lot of Debian because the risks of a distro like Ubuntu Server are way over what I can be exposed to.
Yeah, you don't want to have to explain that production went down cause you migrated it to the "Testing" branch.
Trust me, at that point there won't be any explaining possible :D
We've been burned by a lot of distros in the past and right now it all boils down to using Debian and RHEL, everything else mostly failed at some point or will not uphold the stability guarantees. Even containers with Alpine fucked us over once with the musl DNS issues and a few other missing parts...
This is the reason I upgraded to Trixie six months ago. Wish I knew better about back ports. Can't wait to be back in stable release for that server. Love Incus.