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This right here is why this is going nowhere. What you think happens and what actually happens are two very different things. This should have been apparent that it was not worth my time when you suggested that people would be locked up in a mental institution permanently simply for missing their rent.
And this new thing that you're arguing in a comments section about aims to change that. This will change the first responders to being unarmed mental health professionals instead of armed police.
Ok cool so your solution is for the entire world to change to be something completely different, and for their mental illness to be just gone. In other words, it's not a solution and you have no actual solution or answer to my question. Not all mental illness is caused by the environment around the person. Most of it isn't.
So I'll ask again but even more narrow in scope - what do you suggest the government do, with society and the world the way it is, with people that are severely mentally ill and homeless who refuse all help?
I didn't suggest that people are locked up for "simply for missing their rent". Never once did I suggest people are locked up permanently.
There are no mental health professionals that arrive on the scene. It could be EMT, firefighters, or police that initiate contact. None of the above are mental health professionals. A little training does not make you qualified.
THIS IS PART OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE lol.
Ah youre right, sorry that's the other delusional person in here making the same arguments as you.
They still aren't mental health professionals. A cop/etc. with a little training is not a replacement for a psychiatrist or other mental health professional. The bar for being even a therapist is very high in the US. There is absolutely no comparison to be made here between their level of education and training.
They are going to be mental health professionals, that’s the point. They’re not going to be “cops with a little training”.
Are they getting a Masters? That's what a therapist needs. A bachelors? An associate degree?
None of the above? Then, they are not mental health professionals, and they are not qualified to identify mental illness.
Cool, and do you know that the ones that this new process is going to use aren't mental health professionals? The change is specifically so untrained police officers with guns aren't being sent in to mental health emergencies because they acknowledge that they are not what is needed.
The article doesn't specify, it only specifies additional training for law enforcement officers, but I highly doubt it will be the case that educated professionals go on the scene. The various mentions of first responders reads as first responders to me.
You can't solve homelessness and crime with involuntary commitment. This is woefully ineffective policy, no matter how you cut it.
This isn't attempting to solve homelessness or crime lol
"First responders" simply means the first people on the scene. Those people have generally always been police, which critics have long said are not the correct people for this job. This is going to change that.
Damn, here you are with all the gotchas. That's it, I concede the debate. You win. Congratulations to FreedomAdvocate for successfully arguing for the involuntary commitment of individuals accused of no crime.
I'll take that as the "Well I have no intelligent response because he's right" that it is.