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The votes are public but inaccessible in UI. You can check them.
https://votes.gregtech.eu/
I made this tool to check votes on a comment/post, and I am working on an option to see all votes a user has cast
Now, this is interesting. As far as I know, all of the public threadiverse softwares specifically hide this info (especially downvotes), while acknowledging that the way ActivityPub works, the information is public anyway and you're really just making it slightly less accessible. An open service like this essentially removes all of the supposed barriers (e.g. "Most users don't know how to set up their own instance in order to see downvotes.") which are claimed to keep this info private.
What kind of effect does knowing exactly which people downvoted you have on a platform? Is there a chilling effect on downvotes, is there revenge downvoting? I guess we'll find out. It's less easy to see the upsides of knowing this info, beyond being able to confirm whether or not you're being stalked by persistent downvoters.
@lena@gregtech.eu Did you have any particular thoughts around the ethics of this tool when you decided to make and share it? Not trying to call you out in any way, just interested to hear how you feel about it. Ultimately, if it wasn't you it would be somebody else, so the direct impact is probably negligible.
Thanks for the question, I believe the illusion of privacy is worse than the lack of privacy. Currently, non-technical users or newbies think that their votes are private, which they are definitely not. Someone could spin up an instance and see the votes, which users cast without thinking about how private they really are.
I will also write a blog post about this tool and its ethics.
Nice, I'll look forward to reading that, thanks!
Your point re: the illusion of privacy makes sense. Most Lemmy/other threadiverse users are probably used to platforms where that data is not public and I don't think any of the softwares really highlight that it's different here. It's easy to get a false impression of privacy.
Yeah Lemmy should make it clearer that your votes are not private
Other software like Piefed you actually do get private votes.
Its a bit easier than just pasting the link into friendica.
It's not like we haven't had public downvoting in the fediverse yet. We already found out in the past.
Kbin had public downvotes and the main effect was that people put more thought into their downvotes. While I assume it wasn't without abuse, I've never seen it brought up as an active problem, just something that could theoretically happen.
Thanks, this is a really handy tool. Kniwing the information was being withheld 'just because' was really rankling me. Now, could you just add a quick feature to read their minds and tell me why they down voted me? ;)
AI hallucinations as a feature :3
Clients couldn't add it, they would need admin access to do so
https://lemmy.readme.io/reference/get_post-like-list
Failed to fetch votes, classic
Huh, may I see the URL you used? And did you select the proper option (post/comment)?
I selected your comment from my instance
https://lemmy.selfhostcat.com/comment/612568
I kinda have no idea why this doesn't work @_@. The canonical URL does work though.
Maybe my server was too slow to respond?
I think it can't fetch votes from a non-origin instance, for now I will add a warning until I fix it
Does that mean the link has to be from the post instance?
Nice! Any chance you could have it filter by community? Would be useful as a mod to see who's downvoting a lot in a comm
I will try, this is my first serious project so uhh no guarantees :P
Achievement unlocked! You've gained your first unreasonably demanding user!
Not unreasonable at all, I just suck at software development :3
The unreasonable part comes later 😜
It doesn't seem to be working for me; I've tried several posts on different instances and they all result in a 500 error from your API.
May I have the post URLs you tried so I can troubleshoot?
Sure thing, these ones didn't work:
Also found some that worked while testing some more:
They didn't work because they're not from the poster/commenter's instance. As it says on votes.gregtech.eu, currently the URL has to be from the poster's instance. I am working on a better way to do this.
Ah okay, I interpreted that as the link having to be from the post's instance. Nevermind then I guess.
I clarified it rn
I'm very interested in why some posts from the same servers will fetch results on some posts and not others.
Cool, thanks!
Very cool!
I've checked several posts with one dv. Only one hasn't worked so far, which is weird, because it stemmed from the same instance as several others. There is one user showing up from lemme.ee several from .world, and an odd other instance, here and there. I'm wondering if the one that didn't show up was some magazine mod's protection against it?
Lol! Guess from which instance my comment dvs originated!
How?