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It shouldn't but it does still baffle me how Trump is so consistently pulling from the Hitler playbook while still having as many people that do deny it
clarifying
I understand that there's a subset that support him because of that (even while denying it) but I still think (hope) that the majority of them truly don't like what Hitler didI think the majority of supporters "don't like what Hitler did" in that they understand that liking Hitler is socially intolerable, and not much else. They either literally can't make the connections because they're dumber than dogshit, or they're deliberately misrepresenting themselves to avoid criticism and shame.
I don't love "dumber than dogshit" to describe a group of people, even Trump supporters. It places blame and denigrates those people while giving a pass to the environment they grew up in that gave them indoctrination instead of real education.
I wrestled with this myself, but no longer. Some of them, a lot of them, are really that dumb. Yes, some were indocrinated and have environmental factors, but they may have inherited the brain cell count as well.
At this point, what will wake them up? They're fine with the racism and evilness, what will make them take a look at themselves to make them wonder if the person they worship is a conman?
Economic ruin seems to help change minds.
But the world-view/sunk cost fallacy is a hard thing to counter.
Was reading the asmondgold reddit and felt a strong desire to make a reddit account to destroy every broken ass argument these people barf out. Its not worth it and would probably get banned making it all wasted effort. Fact remains these people use such lazy logic and can't even be bothered to be consistent. It's not like they're beating the fascist drum but they are honestly indifferent to it.
That's how reddit gets you, I'm glad you resisted.
I am tired of acting like "placing blame" is the worst thing you can do upon someone, and that it needs to be highly deliberate and laser-guided like those switchblade "bombs" they drop on people. We've all become so sensitive to criticism that we avoid it like slugs avoid salt.
Fuck them. It is their fucking fault. And they'll be lucky if being blamed is the worst thing that happens to them.
I don't think I was totally clear. It's not that I think they have no fault in the matter, but I don't think they're the root of the problem. Nor do I think that being mad at them does anything to address our current situation. My point is, direct the blame at those most responsible. The oligarchs and the right wing politicians have earned at least 99% of the blame for where we're at. I don't see any point in attacking the victims of propaganda, even if you think you wouldn't have fallen for it.
My theory is cowardice. Born from constantly being pummelled with fear mongering and propaganda, mind you. But cowardice nonetheless.
Would directly explain the desperation for a "strong" leader no matter the cost. As well as pave the road to deeper bigotry, misogyny, and plain old fashioned racism; there must be a pretty deep cognitive dissonance to internalize all that fear, but still attempt to maintain that they care about "doing the right thing". Anyway, that psychological torment has to be someone's fault.
Worst though, is to witness all the evil and suffering coming from this faction and their leaders, but to at the same time know that if I cannot find some level of honest compassion for these individuals, then I have no chance of getting through to them (with some of them, that might not even be possible anymore). Forgive the sinner, not the sin, sure makes it sound simple. Hint: it's not. It's, well, fucked up and awful, to say the least.
But our options are running out, and without solidarity there will be no viable path forward. The only path left will go in the wrong direction for a terrible distance, involving untold violence and death before there will be any chance to start moving forward again. Even the best of our options sadly will almost certainly involve widespread suffering and loss of life.
I will do everything I can to hold onto hope. But I will not deny that we all need to do whatever we can to ready ourselves for the worst, and that I cannot let my hope blind me to the truth.
It feels like the time for doing is already passed in terms of being able to "win." ...And probably by decades. Honesty human beings would be slaughtered.
Even if you get a substandard, indoctrination based education, you have to be dumber than dogshit to never question it.
Also, dog shit can actually be useful
As someone who must dodge it on the sidewalks daily, I’d like to hear how it can be actually useful please.
Fertilizer
In my opinion it’s that they don’t believe the people Hitler persecuted were the right people and that’s why he was wrong. They were the kind of people who bought into the fascist and nazi propaganda from back then except now they’re buying into it about a loosely defined “immigrant criminal” and LGBTQ+ people in general.
I also think they’e mostly against the idea of concentration camps now but are slowly being groomed to support them. Given enough time they’ll fully believe death camps are necessary for the USA to be “great again”
Cognitive dissonance, sunk cost fallacy, modern tribalism, etc. bunch of psychological stuff going on with this mess.
I figure if they can deny hitlers holocaust they certainly seem ready to deny trumps.
Lack of education. My class spent all of 1 class on WW2. I know because I spent time learning on my own.
Which is quite literally by design. Our education system is so shit because it was literally designed to produce obedient workers. Once the oligarchs who created the system were gone, the new ones did not want to replace it since it benefited them. Thus why we have so many braindead idiots who believe everything they are told. Since that they were taught to believe that what they were told in school was always the truth. This is why colleges and universities have to spend time deprogramming students to have them be able to think critically and for themselves. That is also why people with degrees usually vote against conservative policies, because they are able to think for themselves properly. They see the world for what it is and want unjust systems to be replaced with just ones.
It's a problem of education as well as isolation (purposeful or not). You can't know what you haven't been exposed to, nor can you easily argue against something that you're surrounded by (especially as a kid). That being said, there is absolutely no excuse for the older crowd to be like this, as they have heard something about the experiences of parents or grandparents who first hand knew what the fight was about. The Greatest Generation, and certainly many before them, would be shocked at what's been forgotten about authoritarianism, dictators, and nationalism.
I’d argue the modern isolation is absolutely purposeful. Social media can be both a great tool to connect with people and one to isolate them. And with social media algorithms largely biasing towards hateful content since that keeps engagement high. Once a person is isolated they can be feed more hateful content without them even realizing how they are spiraling.
I agree, possibly starting with the Southern Strategy for our situation now, but even before that since influencing people to think certain ways isn't anything new.
Oh we have been trying to influence people to act or vote or do something a certain way for literally thousands of years. Roman society broke down because of how divided things became at certain points.
The fucking car industry has also done wonders to isolate the populace
My high school classes spent a lot more time than that on WWII, but most definitely did not cover Hitler's tariff policy.
I believe that, but it's important to remember that there's very little consistency in schooling. There's a wide range of quality in public schools even within my state. Before you even mention private schools with their own agendas
At a job I worked with like 15 other people. Only 2 people knew what the holocaust was. I was one of the two. Even older people didn't know.
That’s shocking
It really is shocking. I couldn't help but laugh. A tired worn down bordering on breaking laugh.
"but what is holocast? is it like chromcast that you cast tiktoks to tv?" <-- those 13 other people probably
I gotta ask the ages there. I don't know how you miss Band of Brothers, Schindler's List, etc.
It was a mix. Our oldest was 75, the owner. He knew what it was. I was 5th oldest at 31.
You spent 1 day on it? We had several weeks on it. This was early 00's though.
Not one day, 1 class.
Saying your class spent one class on it is confusing then. IDK what that means.
Your school day (in high school) was not broken into several classes throughout the day?
They were, but they were called periods. Saying 'class' would mean you have that all semester. Like taking algebra. I'd be surprised if there was a WW2 class that you took all semster. We had a US history class and had a big section on WW2.
Apparently you've never been late to class, but late to period. Honestly I don't think the problem is on my end.
I mean, I'm still unsure of what length of time y'all studied WW2. Did you have it for an entire semester?
When they were clarifying "Not one day, one class" they were saying "We didn't even spend an entire day on it, just one section of a day"
That's what I meant by my "1 day" comment. Though, I guess that was ambiguous since y'all didnt know how my school day was split up.
And that is not enough time to cover any big part of history.
What's baffling to me, is how many Americans don't seem to realize how closely he is actually following Germany in the 1930s.
It’s a mix of
Stupid people
People who don’t believe he could be that evil
And Nazis
There’s that subgroup of Holocaust deniers (or skeptics). I’m not sure how many Trump supporters are Holocaust deniers, but most Holocaust deniers are probably Trump leaning.
I’m sure there are some who think Hitler did nothing wrong.
Maybe we should train AI on that book to predict what he will do next and what to do to prevent it?
Anyone with AI maybe should try to use big company resources to help weaponize AI against Nazis.
The whole plan is written out step by step... project 2025... it's a long read, but there isn't any need to look anywhere else, they literally released the plan they are following.