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american exceptionalism: socialist edition
seriously though, how would an us-american socialist revolution (let's pretend that's possible) be better for the world than the usa crumbling completely?
The US isn’t going to spontaneously crumble. People need to struggle to make it happen. And the people in the US aren’t going to magically disappear when the state crumbles. The power vacuum will be replaced by one or more new states. Everyone in the world is better off if those states are socialist ones, not capitalist.
it is far more likely that the us starts collapsing and tries to bring the world down with it than a socialist revolution ever happens. we need to defeat the usa, not hope that it brings about a popular democracy.
saying the world needs a "socialist america" is like saying we need a "socialist police force". it's an oxymoron
I will grant that “Socialist America” is not a good turn of phrase, because whatever new state(s) arise should abandon its ownership of “America,” which is two entire continents.
You seem to be assuming that these socialist states would simply continue being imperialist. But if that were true then they wouldn’t be socialist; that would be an oxymoron.
Please do try to take down the US. We will need all the help we can get. We too have no faith that it will be taken down democratically. Probably it will be happen in a revolutionary defeatist opportunity that a crisis of war presents.
i'd say us socialism is not possible right now and won't for a while until they do the work to build it. it could collapse too, for any reason. either one works for us.
in either hypothetical situation, they wouldn't be practicing imperialism. by either direct violence or through proxies, or excercising the economic control only a nation that owns the world's currency can. and other ways.
most successful communist revolutions on the planet were squashed by some kind of meddling by western imperial forces. we would be freer to determine our own future.
isso se aplica aqui no brasil também, joão goulart foi deposto pelo golpe justamente por estar 'dando direitos demais'. o golpe teve apoio da burguesia estadunidense, através da cia. eles ainda mantém um certo controle sobre nós, e não gostam de ver a gente dar um passo sequer pela libertação.
The article does not advocate American exceptionalism. It reflects on the influence America has globally and how social struggle within America has global impact.