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[โ€“] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 25 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Is this necessarily a good idea? Because of the fundamentals of how EV charging differs from filling up gasoline - the former being a fairly slow process, possibly taking as much as an hour, and the latter taking mere minutes - the facilities around them should be designed differently to account for that difference.

Combining charging facilities with places you naturally park your vehicle for some extended time has generally been wise, for example workplace parking, parking at home and supermarkets. I'd guess this likely covers basically the whole usecase for local trips for most car owners. This then leaves long-distance trips, where you'd want something closer to a truck stop facility than a gas station, where you can have a meal, go to the bathroom and maybe even take a shower, passing the time while waiting for your vehicle to charge.

Forcing most gas stations to install chargers neglects the difference between EVs and ICEs in a bad way, and is arguably wasteful. What should be done in its place is to successively replace existing gas stations with other more productive uses, and build appropriate charging facilities for EVs where they make sense.

[โ€“] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think there is more to this. In Sweden OK/Q8 their main chain of gas stations is installing chargers at many station and more coming every day.

Similar in Denmark.

the business model does seem to own out. Germany sells nearly as many EVs (as a %of all car sales) not sure why the progress is slower in Germany.

There are some stubborn car/ICE centric cultural and commerce cliques in Germany. Perhaps this is a response to them? But I feel there is more to it than meets the eye.

[โ€“] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In Germany a lot of charging stations are built by the electricity grid operators. So they usually end up on parking lots of stores or near municipality buildings(a lot of them are owned by the local municipality). Howver neither puts up some big signs to really advertise it. So it is easy to miss them, even when using a navgation system. Like there should be one on the parking lot, but it is behind the building or some weird stuff like that.

That being said there is easily enough of them to cover the country.

[โ€“] tal@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So it is easy to miss them, even when using a navgation system.

How? I mean, a satellite navigation system can get you within a meter or two of the destination.

If the current navigation systems don't list precisely the location of the charging stations, that seems more like an issue with the databases.

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