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Sure, and people like quick solutions to problems and largely don't think about long-term consequences. And then they're all "surprised pikachu" when that thing inevitably morphs into something they don't like.
Sure... in wartime. Outside of wartime, it's totally reasonable to have serious limitations on the government's power here.
Agreed with the first part.
The second part is a bit sticky though, because even if a majority of citizens support a specific change, if their representatives don't, their SOL. For example, in my state, a majority of the populace wanted to expand legalization of marijuana, but the legislature shot it down, even after a passed ballot initiative that should have been legally binding. The root of this problem is the two-party system, since people are willing to vote for the "lesser of two evils," which doesn't communicate their support for some policies from the other party.
Sure, but you need something to justify that level of interference. In the US, we have a concept of an "enemy of the state," which is what we used to justify the TikTok ban. I think that was overreach personally (China isn't an active threat, and TikTok is far enough removed from China to be less of an issue), but I accept the premise for that. Our "enemies of the state" is a legally defined list, which includes: China, Russia, Iran, and N. Korea, and a handful of others.
That was certainly the case for Ukraine, but I'm not so sure about Albania, as they have even less reason to consider China an "enemy" as the US, and I think that's already shaky at best (why are we doing so much business w/ our enemy? How is an enemy one of our biggest trading partners?).
Sure, but there's a big difference between censorship and counter-propaganda. The Albanian and US governments could instead correct misinformation instead of banning media orgs they don't have control over.
You need to be very careful about this, because this is exactly the same strategies taken by authoritarian regimes, like Nazi Germany. Again, to be clear, I'm not calling Ukraine fascist (that's Russian propaganda, and Russia is absolutely fascist), I'm saying this type of policy is used by fascists.
If you control the media, you control the people and can get away with anything. That's why I'm so against government censorship. I'd much rather have Russians interfering w/ our media than have my country dictate what speech is acceptable. To quote Rage Against the Machine:
Controlling social media is controlling the present. Rip that out by the roots and put serious controls around anything that looks like it. Transparency is generally the best policy, so work with journalists to expose the propaganda for what it is instead of trying to silence it.
Again, that's on the given members of a society. Surveillance and blocking social are not inherently (in a physical sense) good or bad. These are social tools that can be used for good (and sometimes must be used to protect the lives of your fellow citizens) or can be used for bad.
This is a bit of a hyperbolic example, but let's say you have a CSAM-focused social network, even without an imminent danger to society it is reasonable to block such a social network if it's hosted in another jurisdiction.
American concepts of "enemy of the state" and "imminent danger" don't map one to one in the global context.
A country (Albania or otherwise) has the right to counteract influence for foreign nationals/entities on their political process. But that's just one example.
There is also the FB and genocidal Myanmar and more recently FB and Ethiopia.
A media org is committed to journalism and communicating accurate information and good faith debate. These are not the priorities of Chines social networks (subject to control of the CCP) or Americans social network (subject to control of local oligarchs and criminal groups).
I think we've had a good discussion and it's clear we have our own perspectives.
At this point, I am just trying to point out that there nuances to my OP and it's not a matter of merely supporting government censorship. The world is a complex place and absolutes are not a viable approach.
Agreed, and I think the conversation has run its course.
Thanks for the discussion! I'll certainly give it some thought.