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Open borders. I strongly believe in open borders as a moral imperative. Human beings have been migrating for survival, resources, and exploration for over 20,000 years. The concept of nation-states imposing constraints on movement is a modern invention that doesn't align with the inherent human need for freedom of mobility. People in the southwestern states of the US with Mexican roots will tell you "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us."
Yeah, the fact that you can want to go somewhere, and have the resources to do so… And a faceless government bureaucrat hundreds of miles away can just go “lol no you’re not allowed here.” It is mind boggling.
While this is a noble goal, in practice it'll just lead to the collapse of every modern nation. If we reach some utopian future where resources are no limit then it should work, but I very much doubt it would work right now
So patronizing and reductionist. Some of y’all just struggle to imagine a world that makes more sense.
People will move to some places and keep moving. The current layout would change, but people have done this for thousands of years. Not everyone wants to be in the exact same location. It’ll be fine.
If every border opened up and tons of people moved into Europe/USA and other wealthy countries they would inevitably collapse. Trust in the system would erode and it would all devolve into anarchy.
I doubt a lot of people would voluntarily move out of wealthy countries, those that want to already can, so it would be a one way transfer of people.
We already see a lot of tension in regards to migration and opening borders would make it 100 times worse
Says who? What makes you say this?
The tension is caused by not having open borders. Where are these open borders you speak of?
I don't see how that's could possibly be the case.
Would you mind explaining how you imagine wealthy countries would fare if we removed all borders tomorrow? How would social security and societal services work with a massive influx of people without any increase in taxes?
If you have money, borders are basically open for you. I haven't seen many upper middle-class and higher people migrate to second or third world countries. So it's safe to assume that that also wouldn't happen when borders are actually open. This leaves less fortunate people from all over the world. If you are telling me they will migrate to a different second or third world country, you are delusional. They will migrate to first world countries. And those cou tries will collapse.
Don't get me wrong, I think open borders are a great concept and people should be free to live wherever they want. But with our current system it just doesn't work. If we have something like a world government and just earth, without individual countries, it's a different story.
That is the most ridiculous, unqualified bullshit I’ve heard in a long time. And that is a far cry from saying “we have open borders.”
And of course it doesn’t work with our current system. It isn’t legal to just walk across borders. That’s the entire debate.
Do you think you can just keep repeating things that sound like truisms and no one will notice? Are you going to make any actual concrete claims instead of vaguely gesticulating to Fox News headlines?
Why would I watch Fox News, I'm not even in the US...
My proof for "basically" open borders is me. I lived in multiple countries and it was pretty easy to achieve. And I by no means have money, just education.
Not sure what you're going on about truisms and what you did or did not notice.
I stand by the fact that if you have money, education and/or a job that is in demand for the country you chose, you can easily get permanent residency and then citizenship.
I don't get why you get so worked up about this statement. If someone wants to immigrate to Germany, New Zealand, or Canada or whatever first world country, they apply for it, fill out the paperwork and if they fulfill the requirements, which you usually do if you have the education, you eventually get approved. That's literally what hundreds of thousands of people are already doing.
Is this system perfect? Of course not, it takes a while to get the paperwork and it heavily favors highly educated people from first world countries. But that's what I said in the first post.
fellow border abolitionist! i recommend people to read Borders by Thomas King. Borders are not real. It's past time for land back