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[–] AwkwardBroccolli@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

UBI is never going to come to the united states. Whats reasonably to going to happen is an uprising and the brutal suppression of it by the police state a la Tianenmen square style or even worse. US have done this against people of color multiple times in its history. This time others will join as well.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This time may be different because the police may have a lot greater reason to join the people than they did in the past. The police's retirements were also wiped out, and the police's family members are a lot more likely to have been affected by those tariffs. I think it's too pessimistic to say what you're saying, because the number of people affected now is significantly greater.

An uprising seems likely, and an attempt at brutal suppression also seems likely, but the United States regime has also made enemies of almost every other country on the planet, and the groundswell of people is very large. The number of people in the protests today was massive:

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/

If you see the sheer numbers, it's enough to give hope.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

UBI is a variation on Trickle Up economics, which we know works well to stimulate the economy, because every time they've made money available to those at the bottom, like the Covid checks, the economy has boomed. The money will eventually end up in the hands of the wealthy anyway, but it will grease the cogs of the economy on the way. The only reason they want the money to go straight from the government to themselves is because they dont want the people getting used to not worrying about our bills. Worried people will accept more employment abuse.

Trickle Down is unsustainable, and reaching the end of it's run. If they dont get with the program, and start embracing Trickle Up solutions, the citizens are going introduce Robin Hood Economics - Rob from the rich, give to the poor - and they arent going to like that at all.

[–] AwkwardBroccolli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This assumes that the citizens are capable of fighting back against an armed state which protects the oligarchs. The monopoly of state on violence enforced by the personal cults of various billionaires will quench any chance of a revolution. Add to this the surveillance of means of organizing like sms, signal etc and you get a perfect police state under the control of few. The ideal solution would then be to eliminate the impoverished basic class and live off the land. The only disadvantage is probably the stunting of genetic lineages some generations after. So they might keep some of the impoverished around to make sure that they can keep the genetic pool diverse.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So they might keep some of the impoverished around to make sure that they can keep the genetic pool diverse.

And as a source of replacement organs, tissues, and fluids when they reach advanced age. After all, they're stripping everything else for parts, who to say they'll stop just before putting poors under the knife to strip us for parts?

[–] AwkwardBroccolli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

That too. It will just be like pigs or chicken now.