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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 days ago (18 children)

to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.

The problem is that supporting car infrastructure always results in a loss for society. Building more roads for cars, wider roads for cars (i.e. more lanes), more parking for cars... is such a drain on funding that you never catch up.

If you live in a municipality that doesn't have enough money for basic services, it's because of the money needed to support car infrastructure. Sounds crazy, but it's true.

As a country, we should de-prioritize cars as a means of transportation, but also as an industry that we rely too heavily on.

If Canadian manufacturing could diversify into other areas of transportation (i.e. affordable, Made in Canada e-bikes and e-cargo bikes) or putting our manufacturing efforts into building trains and public transportation vehicles... we would strengthen our economy while helping people, and it wouldn't be at a loss!

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Just because one step doesn't get you to your destination, doesn't mean you shouldn't take that first step.

Bikes aren't practical in a large number of Canadian cities, especially ones with -30 degree seasons. They aren't practical for disabled people. They aren't practical for families with young children.

A lack of road infrastructure also hobbles emergency services such as ambulances. It reduces the ability of trucks to deliver goods to stores. It reduces the ability for utility crews to service utilities such as power lines and sewers.

There are a lot of potential issues with aggressively pursuing what you envision. At the very least you'd need to massively re-work city design and zoning, rebuild a ton of stuff. That will take time. Shifting to electric cars will take less time, and be a net 'win' for the environment, generally speaking. I see no issue with the first persons response saying we should try to make evs in country.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Just because one step doesn’t get you to your destination, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take that first step.

But the first step shouldn't be to focus on car manufacturing... again.

Bikes aren’t practical in a large number of Canadian cities, especially ones with -30 degree seasons. They aren’t practical for disabled people. They aren’t practical for families with young children.

Says who? With the appropriate infrastructure (i.e. like what you see in Montreal), you can have cycling year-round. Hell, I'm not from Montreal, and have used my bike all winter for errands.

And last summer, I was hauling two grandkids around by bike. It's not hard.

Cars are unaffordable, and will continue to be for most people. Even families who can "afford" a car, are being hurt by their dependency.

And taxpayers all lose when cars are the focus of our transportation network.

A lack of road infrastructure also hobbles emergency services such as ambulances. It reduces the ability of trucks to deliver goods to stores. It reduces the ability for utility crews to service utilities such as power lines and sewers.

I didn't say we should reduce our roads to dirt paths and let it all crumble. But we don't need 18 lane highways or 2 lanes of parking on a four lane road... we are building too much to support gridlock by inducing demand.

Emergency vehicles and delivery trucks benefit by having FEWER drivers on the road. This is a fact.

There are a lot of potential issues with aggressively pursuing what you envision. At the very least you’d need to massively re-work city design and zoning, rebuild a ton of stuff. That will take time.

No, it really doesn't. What takes time (and money) is road widening, constant road repair, figuring out what homes to demolish to make room for another road we don't need to build.

Cities and countries that have de-prioritized cars have done so very quickly and with massive benefits to their communities. See Montreal, Paris, any city in the Netherlands, Vancouver, Columbia (the country!), etc.

It costs much less to build out cycling and public transportation, and it can be done much faster than building out infrastructure just for cars.

Shifting to electric cars will take less time, and be a net ‘win’ for the environment, generally speaking. I see no issue with the first persons response saying we should try to make evs in country.

That's not true at all. We don't need or want people making short trips in an EV. It still puts the community at risk (crashes), it still degrades the road surface, it contributes MORE to "tire dust", still keeps people inactive, still keeps the poor at a disadvantage, still removed "community" from our communities. It's just not a path forward.

I'm not saying we need an all-or-nothing solution. We need to rebalance our transportation network and make transportation more equitable and easier to access. There's no reason why the majority of Canadians can't walk, bike, or bus their way around town for the majority of their errands.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"If you live in one of Canada'd largest cities, ebikes work great!"

Just another item on the "fuck people in smaller towns and rural Canadians, I want mine" wishlist, I see.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I don't understand the objection.

People living in rural areas of Canada represent less than 16% of the population (and even fewer drivers, since that number includes children).

Everyone else lives close enough to "everything" and don't need to use their car for "everything".

And people living in cities or the suburbs for sure don't need a large truck.

And people in rural areas don't need 4 lane stroads.

So where is this huge need to continue building things out for more cars?

For what it's worth, I'm often in rural Ontario... On my non-electric bike. Unless I'm hauling a thousand pounds, it seems more than reasonable to see an ebike work quite well in those areas, too.

If you need to use a car or truck, then use a car or truck. Most people don't for the majority of their trips.

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