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Most Dutch people don't like what these activists are doing.
It's a beautiful day in September and they are blocking access to one of our biggest cities and one of the most beloved beaches.and creating huge traffic jams due to that.
It's quite likely that our Parliament will pass a law similar to the UK to criminalize the blocking of infrastructure.
Right, because 30°C in the middle of September is totally normal and in no way an indication that climate change is about to get completely out for control.
Let's just go to the beach, everything is fine and we don't have to change anything, let alone something that will inconvenience us.
Temperatures in September are already past 1,5 degree increase. We need to do something. Now.
Can I ask what your solution is?
pretty sure the Dutch don't have enough time left to not be underwater.
Not turning the public against climate action, for one. We still need political majorities if you want to get anything done.
Second, we had the solution in the 90s with nuclear power. Now it's inevitable that we will see 2,5-3 degrees warming, since renewables can't replace reliable sources of energy and the world isn't willing to de-industrialize. By not excluding nuclear power, net zero by 2050 is achievable. By excluding it, net zero will never be achieved.
We might de-industrialize our country, but industry will just move to countries that do have reliable energy infrastructure. Look at industry moving from Germany to the USA, for example.
If they don't like being inconvenienced for a couple of minutes, wait till they hear about the climate crisis!
Oh so instead of decisive action on the climate crisis, they'll just criminalize climate activism. Democracy at work. Noted.
Tyranny of the majority.
I mean, if people stop having kids you solve two problems so we are really on the right path already.
That’s quite the statement. Support for XR is growing with every protest. So “most Dutch”? I wouldn’t be so sure about that…
Protests are allowed and expected to cause inconvenience, protestors are under no obligation to minimise inconvenience, and inconvenience is not legal ground for a mayor to limit or ban a protest.
Good, that will stop the planet from burning, right?
Source?
Yeah because the only way to get to Scheveningen is to take that small piece of highway? How about any of the other ways leading into or around The Hague? They aren't blocking access to The Hague or Scheveningen, there isn't one singular road in or out.
Source?
Don't pretend to speak for the rest of our country because you obviously don't and don't dramatize the blockage of a small section of 'highway' in the middle of a city as being a blockage of access to the entire city.
Source: Dutch news.
80% of people disagree with this action.
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/panel/artikel/5406350/70-procent-wil-af-van-fossiele-subsidies-maar-nauwelijks-steun-voor
Don't be so confidently incorrect, it only proves how out of touch you are.
I would have to imagine there is some selection bias for RTL nieuws. These numbers would probably look different if the NOS or EenVandaag did the survey.
Most of the time, they use the same Ipsos panels. But yes, I agree that RTL is less reliable than NOS. It's also about spin.
NOS reported that Parliament is considering jail time for disrupting infrastructure and that the UK already has it. Amnesty was against, but a political majority is quite likely.
Source: am Dutch too. Can confirm. Listen to your own advice, you too are not talking for all of us.
Ook jij spreekt niet voor ons allemaal. Als dat zo was dan stonden er wel meer mensen op dat stuk weg, dan had die politie je niet weg gespoten.
Dit is niet de manier. Dit is gevaarlijk en dom.
I know I don't speak for everyone, that's why you didn't find a single opinion or generalization in my comment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if you want my opinion I think this is exactly the way they should be protesting right now. High visibility, on 'the doorstep' of the governmental buildings, non violent (unlike some other protests we've had lately by other groups) and only inconveniencing others.
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