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Sorry to say, but he's right. For AI to truly flourish in the West, it needs access to all previously human made information and media.
And as the rest of the conversation points out, if it's so important that for profit corporations can ignore copyright law, there is no justifying reason for the same laws to apply to any other content creators or consumers. Corporations are the reason copyright law is so draconic and stiffles innovation on established ideas, so to unironically say it makes their business model unsustainable is just rich.
Well, then we should see their want to change copyright in this way as a good thing. People complain when YouTubers get copyright struck even if their content is fair use or transformative of something else, but then suddenly become all about copyright when AI is mentioned.
The toothpaste is out of the tube. We can either develop it here and outpace our international and ideological competitors, or we can stifle ourselves and fall behind.
The future comes whether you want it to or not.
who are these international and ideological competitors ? What happens if they develop it further than for profit corporations ?
To me it seems like for profit corporations themselves are our international and ideological adversaries.
For example, the US and China are international and ideological competitors.
They don't want to change the law, they just want an exemption for themselves. Rules for thee, not for me.
I think the exemption would be necessary to keep up with other nations who aren't and will never be beholden to such laws.
Then it's a good thing they won't get it.
I don't think you've thought that out to its logical conclusion.
I don't want AI to flourish.
Why?
Because of the environmental cost and climate change
Because of the jobs being destroyed by productivity gains
Because of the Internet starting to fill up with slop that drowns out the really relevant sites
Do you realize these companies are now making bigger investments into green energy?
This was always going to happen with the advancement of technology. It's inevitable so long as humanity survives long enough.
Like what?
To fight climate change, we need investment in green energy. That doesn't mean we need more and more data centers (there's a surge since 2022) using an energy mix with a undetermined ratio of fossile energy and green energy.
Yeah, I know Shumpeter theory. It does not predict what happens when a new technology massively destroies white collar and creative jobs.
Like tons of bullshit IA generated websites when you look for information about a file format, or conversion tools for this file format
They are making investments in green energy for their data center usage.
Our current economic model is insufficient to handle advancement in technology.
I have never had issues finding out information about file formats, or finding conversion tools for them.
For a lot of things to truly flourish, copyright law has to be appended. But the exception is made specifically for AI because that's the thing billionaires can afford to develop while the rest cannot. This is a serious driver for inequality, and it is not normal some people can twist the law as they see fit.
I understand your frustration, but it's a necessary thing we must do. Because if it's not us, well then it will be someone else and that could literally be devastating.