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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That definition of authority is so immediately, obviously wrong that I don't even know where to start dealing with it.

It's so uselessly broad. I literally said at the start that authority isn't just any inqeuality, and you didn't address it. You should have if you thought that was wrong, because that's literally the definition of the thing that we're talking about.

I would like to see you justify this incrsdibly broad definition. If you want to see my justification for my definition, I would invite you to look it up in any dictionary.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I literally said at the start that authority isn’t just any inqeuality, and you didn’t address it.

First of all that condition is as arbitrary as any other and you have no more authority to impose it than I do imposing mine. Secondly, I did address it: I limited the term authority specifically to social relations. Between people. Engels doesn't.

I would like to see you justify this incrsdibly broad definition.

I already did:

If you find yourself having it and are keen on proper praxis then you take on the responsibility to lift the other up as you are capable to do. I think for that reason alone I think it’s important to recognise it as authority, so that we are careful when using it, which, in the end, is unavoidable.

In other words: It's important to call bootmaker's authority authority so that anarchists, bootmakers or apprentices or passers-by, are careful around that topic. Like a candle it's not a thing that's bad per se, but a thing which should not be left unattended. Eyes need to be on it.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 50 minutes ago

It's not about force or having authority to define something, this is about being able to have a real conversation, and you left the main term undefined except in your own mind, and then when I asked you for it you gave an absolutely wild definition that makes no sense and which I can't find anybody else using, and yet you still called it "the" definition and not "your" definition.

If nothing else that means you're not someone it's worth trying to talk to, because you're not even trying to communicate effectively. I don't care if you have your reasons, they're not good reasons but I feel like in the spirit of this conversation I just shouldn't fucking bother to explain why, because based on precedent you'll just insist I'm wrong for your own inscrutable reasons and carry on as you were, and if I try to wrest those reasons out of you they'll be nonsensical. Also you're not worth trying to convince because you're not somebody anyone else will listen to for long before they realise you're completely full of shit.

Goodbye.