Nato expansion has always sounded dumb to me too. Nato is a defense pact, it doesn't ever attack so there is nothing for Russia to defend against. And if some countries were to attack Russia, them being in Nato is irrelevant since the other members won't help.

Russia is the only European country that violates others borders. Everyone else agreed that wars are dumb and joined a peaceful union called the 'EU' or at least has close ties with it. Now Russia of course could have joined the EU too, but Putin chose not to.

[+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nato is a defense pact, it doesn’t ever attack

NATO bombed Libya.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NATO didn’t intervene in Lybia, it were just some NATO aligned countries.

If NATO did intervene, it would have included ALL NATO countries. As is the point of their pact. If one is at war, they all combine forces.

Since plenty of NATO countries abstained, it is therefore no NATO intervention.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

It started as some NATO member countries on the 19th of March. My understanding is that NATO later voted on it to become fully involved by the 24th and took over by the 31st. That's how NATO works - when a few members get involved, everyone else will follow.

Let's imagine a few NATO member countries start bombing Russia. If Russia strikes back, the NATO pact means that all of NATO becomes involved. That necessarily means that if any NATO member country is involved, all of NATO is involved. NATO is basically a shield for NATO member countries to do whatever they want, because if anyone fights back it triggers the whole alliance.