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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's elitism as per usual, i daily drive Linux for 9 years already and always point this out, if we want the year of Linux truly come, then elitism must be stopped as majority of people won't come to Linux if it's inconvenient to them and majority of people not a techy guys, Linux guys want people to like Linux but don't want Linux to BECOME likeable to majority and want it to persist as elite subculture, that's the MAIN paradox of Linux community and all other problems like systemd vs other init, x11 vs Wayland, tiling wm vs full DE, distro wars, all stem from this same reason, Linux users wanna FEEL elite but want mass adoption and mass recognition of Linux while it's not yet accessible to everyone or even becoming less accessible like in this case we're discussing

[–] reinar@distress.digital 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

of course it's 'elitism' and not just a bunch of people volunteering to code shit that's interesting/relevant for them.

To provide 'non-elitist' desktop experience people need to sit down and fix bug backlog for hardware that's nowhere around them, prioritize features that are relevant to users (even if they are absolutely ass to work on) and etc, etc, etc. You know how it's called? A job.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Aight, then why hyping forcefully deprecating fully working code base that provided more accessibility and robustness (x11)

Because under the hood x11 code is such a hacky mess the developers found it easier to start from scratch than add new features like HDR and VRR to x11.

If new features don't matter to you, there's still plenty of distros and DE's and WM's that ship x11 and will continue for a very long time.

[–] yoevli@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

X11 versus Wayland isn't some kind of holy war; Wayland was specifically designed as a successor protocol to the largely cobbled-together X and is objectively superior to it in most ways outside of accessibility.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's so superior that they finally added color in 2024!

[–] yoevli@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Unless I'm mistaken, X has never had proper color management support in the first place.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right, as I've and many people here said, wayland is still not FULLY completed for AVERAGE user and said average user is not going to code patches, he just going to walk away from wayland and from Linux, and this is pushing the year of desktop Linux farther and farther from us

[–] yoevli@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

When is the last time you tried a Wayland DE? I can't speak to them all, but Plasma for one has been in really good shape for basically everything a typical user might want to do with it for around a year now.