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[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 133 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sadly look at email. Technically you can host it yourself but if you're not one of the 15 or so big providers, good luck not being marked as spam before you even do anything.

The real problem is with the oligarchy controlling everything, service or protocol. This is why Threads was/is dangerous.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is definitely a good point.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's literally the same point I was making, that your protocol can be blocked when they've decided they don't like it.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ugh, but even so popularising the protocol would make it prohibitively expensive to increase the odds of interacting with threat actors. Its never 100% but its not worse.

[–] Badland9085@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Somewhat unfair judgement against emails IMO, especially cause it’s the “trust list” that’s in the control of a few, with no open manner to add more people to the trust list. The protocol isn’t at fault for failing to prevent problems; it’s the ability for corporations to gain significant market share without control, before they are then allowed to put barriers down to disallow or discourage interaction between those in and out, forcing those within to stay in, while those outside to give up on others in order to gain usability.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

That was my point too, I guess I wasn't clear enough so thanks for elaborating. The protocol isn't at fault, but something being a protocol (and not just a proprietary service) isn't enough if the vast majority of the market share is being held by a few corporations.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And they’ve been systematically shutting down anonymous email services.

Load up Brave with a tor connection, and try to sign up for anonymous email. When they can’t track you reliably, even the “anonymous” services require a confirmation email or phone number.

[–] TotalCourage007@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Man I don't want a future where we doxx ourselves to just be on a PC. Its insane that parents think real ID for gaming is a good idea. Linux might be the only way to escape any of this in the near future.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They pretend it’s to protect us from illegal activity, but it’s really to protect them from whistleblowers.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's not entirely true. The push for KYC came because spam started going crazy. You have no clue how bad spam is right now. And believe me, you don't know. Take the worst case scenario you can think of, and multiply that by 100, and that starts to describe the state of spam emails for the past decade.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Did they suddenly put a stop to email spam, and no one told me? My spam folder says otherwise, but I can confirm the hit to privacy.

Maybe combating spam was just the excuse?

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

My spam email gets like 10 a day instead of 900+ a day, significant improvements.