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Understanding is a meeting in the middle. It's reasonable to correct the record on how you as an individual would like to be gendered. It's not reasonable to expect all of society to drop the use of a word that is colloquially accepted as gender neutral. At a certain point, your outrage is the antisocial behavior.
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I think you've completely misunderstood what everyone is saying because that's exactly what everyone you've responded to, including myself, is saying that they would do.
Tailor their words for that conversation but move on to a different group of people from there. Not permanently tailoring the way they speak because it is highly unlikely that they'll engage again.
I think the amount of people who either (1) do not know the term to be gender neutral or (2) purposefully use it as a gendered term to anger people is less than 1%, honestly.
I live in a pretty conservative area, and I'm not exactly a leftist either, and I've never seen guys used in any way other than just as a generic for "you all"
Cool, so we agree it's silly to get so strung up over it, huh? Of course people tailor their language, it happens constantly. If someone is going to go out of their way to construe a perfectly normal part of speech as me being malignant and demand that I change my behavior for their benefit I'm going to tell them to fuck off, personally. If someone is respectful and asks tactfully...sure, I'll adjust for them. Though internally I'll be judging them for being a snowflake.
How does a snowflake screw in a lightbulb? They hold the bulb, and the whole world revolves around them.
You're honestly right and I regret the joke and lowering the level of discourse with it. Sorry everyone.
But isten, you've been heavily down voted in this thread, and it's not because we are all sycophantic anti-woke nut jobs. This community is for the most part intelligent, leftist or left-leaning, empathetic people who support the rights of all kinds to exist and be recognized and treated fairly. But many would agree there is a reasonable degree to which you can meet people halfway when it comes to communication and understanding.
Whether you like it or not, "guys" in the agendered sense, is a part of the language. It may not always have been, but it is now. When people use it in this way, they aren't thinking about your gender or the concept of gender at all. They are trying to address a collection of people, simple as that. English doesn't have a plural second-person pronoun, we have to use additional words.
When you get offended, you are deliberately misunderstanding them, and thus engaging in a bad-faith argument against their intended meaning. And it's that audacity, the sidelining of pithy conversation for an imagined affront, that rubs some otherwise supportive and open minded people like myself the wrong way.
Yeah, well, this has been fun! Let's do it again some time.