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[โ€“] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we just need a way to incentivize corporations to provide healthy alternatives as well (and not just HFCS, but high sugars in general, etc). Not sure of the best approach, but the bigger issue is that when every corporation is pushing cheap sellers that are addictive, its no wonder most people eat them. Like, McDonalds alone isn't responsible, but corporations in general because their basically saying they can't be held responsible for being successful. But they're putting so much money into being successful and trying to be successful, that it's difficult when you have such large entities pushing that way but then saying "it's not our fault people are going in the direction we push"

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incentivizing a company to do anything besides turn a profit is impossible. You must beat them into submission so that the only choice they have is to conform with the overall public health policy. Removing subsidies on Corn would be a good idea to specifically address HFCS in everything. An even better idea would be to just socialize food production and remove the profit from it and instead prioritize healthy affordable food for the citizenry.

[โ€“] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, if we're talking about impossible things, changing the world economic structure is one of them.

You can't socialize food production without socializing the entire economy of the world. Many countries rely on food production as their number one source of income. So you can't just socialize one industry. Let alone getting the world to play along.

An incentive could be "offer healthy alternatives otherwise something bad will happen." It requires meddling with the system and ignoring the free market, but sounds like I don't think you'd disagree with disruption in the free market.

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One country, the US, could absolutely take it's food off the world market and if I had the power to "ban" HFCS, I would 100% socialize US food production.

[โ€“] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not the way any of this works. You can't just change a portion of the system. The US imports a ton of food. Banning something is actually a realistic ability. Ingredients have been banned before. Creati ng a system that is doomed to failure due to not thinking about it for 3 seconds is a different class of ability. We're talking about changing the laws of a country, not breaking the laws of math and physics. I'm pro-socialism but this is an awfully thought out take. It would cause worldwide economic collapse and less to starvation around the world due to such an event.

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL portions of systems cannot be changed, ergo all systems are static unless they are destroyed.

[โ€“] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you can change parts of it, but you can't just arbitrarily say any part can simply be replaced willy nilly. That's just childish. Changes have impact and consequences. You're literally ignoring cause and effect. I can see nothing is worth discussing with you though if you're going to respond with something a child would say. So we're done here.

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

The premise is magically banning something. What do you expect?