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from #NewYorkTimes #NYT
[Bias alert - #NYT usually favors Israel]

By Hiba Yazbek, Abu Bakr Bashir, and Lara Jakes
Jan. 8, 2025 Updated 1:19 p.m. ET

https://archive.ph/mNW2O

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[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Pick a different subject to talk about Harris vs. Trump votes. There are arguments with a lot of merit, but this isn't one them. Like the Palestinians said, it's already hell. A hell of destroyed hospitals, schools and housing, of war crimes like murdered children, manufactured famine, rape, and torture...all with complete support from a Democrat President and large parts of his party.

Trump is going to create a lot of ruin if he accomplishes 10% of what he promises, but with the story being Trump's approach to Gaza, stop pretending as if Biden has done better or Kamala would. On that issue it's not as if either candidate would have done fuck all about Gaza other than continue to support the ethnic cleansing. There's a reason Biden will be remembered as Genocide Joe. He repeatedly, explicitly affirmed the USA's COMPLETE support of Israel and acted in accordance with that. He did nothing when Israel crossed "red lines" except provide Israel with more weapons and money. At least we're spared the torturous, blatant hypocrisy of "we're committed to peace" on the same week billions in arms deals are signed.

Let me head off rebuttals that amount to "but at least Harris might have tried". She also explicitly confirmed continued support for Israel, and offered zero credible objections to blank cheque support as VP. The only thing the world could have expected from her were more "serious concerns" speeches.

Edit: And I don't give even the slightest damn about downvotes. Both Dems and Republicans are HORRIFIC regarding this war, which has met the standard for genocide and is riddled with war crimes. I'm not going to shut up about it or pretend Harris would have been better because of popularity. Asking if protest voters feel stupid because Trump says it's going to be hell is a resounding no, because people are right in saying it's been that for over a year. America's policy was already incredibly evil with no change even hinted at from Kamala and more of the same promised. And no, I'm not a protest voter (I'm Canadian and told people to vote Harris anyways because I agreed with Bernie Sanders), I'm not Russian, or Israeli, or a fascist, or a communist, or a bot.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

They're just trying to bully you into going away because then they can say that all opposition to centrists' genocide was paid shills that went away after the election. That's the narrative they're spamming in this thread.