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The idea that putting labels on every bottle is about "letting Canadians know and informing them better", is flat out horseshit.
That's what education campaigns are for. Putting labels on every bottle is about reminding / nagging people every single time they try and enjoy having a drink to try and make them enjoy it less and change their behaviour.
You can be on board with that or not, but let's stop lying with the 'its about education' comments.
I think you seriously underestimate the number of people who are completely unreachable with new information unless it is put directly in front of their faces.
And how many of those people actually read the fine print on labels?
I've seen a ton of empty cigarette boxes over the years (I don't smoke) but I've never bothered actually reading the warnings.
Warning labels do work. Turn the bottle the other way or pour in a glass if you don’t want to see it. The doctor knows more than you do.
https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/15/3/708/1091051
https://academic.oup.com/abm/article/52/1/53/4737219
Where did I say that they didn't work?
I said that the method of working was through nagging, not education.
They do work, they are not for "education" or "information". Just another proof that propaganda works on everyone.
Ah yes the evil doctors are spreading propaganda scheming to make you healthier.
They literally are. The mechanism of warning labels working is not via educating you about something once, and letting you make a decision, it's about telling you over and over again.
It works via constant relentless bombardment of the same message over and over, just like propaganda and advertising.
It is effective, but it is also not effective just through "education" or making people well informed.
Your bias shows, there was nothing in my post about good or evil doctors.
The irony of complaining about someone else's bias when your previous comment called information "propaganda"...
What do you think 'propaganda' means?
It is propaganda in its purest form, again people are trained by propaganda to view it as sonething bad and only done by evil organizations. Of course "scary pictures" work on cigarettes, that's their intended purpose, and they would work as well on alcohol or whatever would be unacceptable next year. I'm not against and don't care much about something that happens essentially in a different world.
Who do you think helped develop the warnings?
Does it matter?
I need to say that I adore how you have relentlessly asserted that it only counts as education if you’re told once and then never again, because putting a label on the bottle can’t possibly be a form of education.
I love you I have relentlessly asserted that the mechanism it's working through couldn't possibly be accurately described as nagging.
Oh what scholars everyone is reading a cigarette label and finding out that cigarettes can give you cancer :O! How much better they understand that cigarettes do, in, fact, give, you, cancer! Suddenly knowing that brand new fact changes everything about their decision making! How better informed are they huh?
You’re making an (asinine) assertion here that people aren’t changing their minds about smoking based on the warning labels, when even the barest little bit of effort on your part would turn up a wealth of studies demonstrating that the cigarette warnings have been very successful at getting people to quit.
Like, any effort at all. Just a little bit.
As an aside:
Thanks, I guess, but let’s try to stay on topic.
No, I'm extremely explicitly not. I'm saying that the mechanism behind that decision is not informing or education, but nagging.
See, there’s that “it’s not education” thing again.
Fun fact: repetition is the key to internalizing information. This is like grade-school level stuff here. I bet when the teacher told you that you had to practice the alphabet more than once you threw a fit about them nagging you when you just wanted “education”.
Repetition is also the key to propaganda and advertising effectiveness, it's the reason why you know exactly what the quicker picker up is and probably hate that you do right now.
You're literally using the word "education" in the way that China uses it to describe their re-"education" camps for the Uighurs.
Try and grow the fuck up and learn how to have a nuanced discussion rather than simplifying everything down to good and bad and black and white.
One of us needs to do some growing up for sure; I suspect it’s the one saying that we can’t warn people about cancer because it’s the same as Chinese propaganda; that one-two punch of racism and non sequitur.
Keep being awesome man.
Me: points out that propaganda, nagging, and advertising worth through the mechanism of bombarding people with the same message over and over, and is not what we consider education, but is in fact similar to "education camps" which are explicitly distinguished from actual education institutions, since they don't work through informing people and letting them make their own choice.
You: you're racist and don't make sense!
.... ok there bud.
Thanks for doubling down on my above points to help clarify them. I appreciate you.
Whoosh. Thanks for making it clear that you didn't actually come on a discussion forum to discuss anything, just to hear yourself talk.
lol. We could probably solve cancer for good if the cure were instances of you deflecting your lack of a cogent argument by claiming that the other person “isn’t here for a discussion”.
Lmao.
Just because you can't understand, apparently basic nuance, like the difference between education and education camps, it doesn't mean that it's not understandable.