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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Agree. And these tasks can't be tailored to the AI in order for it to have a chance. It needs to drive to work, fix the computers/plumbing/whatever there, earn a decent salary and return with some groceries and cook dinner. Or at least do something comparable to a human. Just wording emails and writing boilerplate computer-code isn't enough in my eyes. Especially since it even struggles to do that. It's the "general" that is missing.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It needs to drive to work, fix the computers/plumbing/whatever there, earn a decent salary and return with some groceries and cook dinner.

This is more about robotics than AGI. A system can be generally intelligent without having a physical body.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You're - of course - right. Though I'm always a bit unsure about exactly that. We also don't attribute intelligence to books. For example an encyclopedia, or Wikipedia... That has a lot of knowledge stored, yet it is not intelligent. That makes me believe being intelligent has something to do with being able to apply knowledge, and do something with it. And outputting text is just one very limited form of interacting with the world.

And since we're using humans as a benchmark for the "general" part in AGI... Humans have several senses, they're able to interact with their environment in lots of ways, and 90% of that isn't drawing and communicating with words. That makes me wonder: Where exactly is the boundary between an encyclopedia and an intelligent entity... Is intelligence a useful metric if we exclude being able to do anything useful with it? And how much do we exclude by not factoring in parts of the environment/world?

And is there a difference between being book-smart and intelligent? Because LLMs certainly get all of their information second-hand and filtered in some way. They can't really see the world itself, smell it, touch it and manipulate something and observe the consequences... They only get a textual description of what someone did and put into words in some book or text on the internet. Is that a minor or major limitation, and do we know for sure this doesn't matter?

(Plus, I think we need to get "hallucinations" under control. That's also not 100% "intelligence", but it also cuts into actual use if that intelligence isn't reliably there.)