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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 290 points 1 day ago (5 children)

AGI (artificial general intelligence) will be achieved once OpenAI has developed an AI system that can generate at least $100 billion in profits

nothing to do with actual capabilities.. just the ability to make piles and piles of money.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

That's an Onion level of capitalism

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 91 points 1 day ago

The same way these capitalists evaluate human beings.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

For fun, I used this idea in chatgpt using similar logic:

Hello, can you explain to me how a strict profit generated number would result in a specific goal, such as if I make 1000 dollars I would suddenly be capable of owning a house. I find the idea strange and backwards.

You're correct to find this idea odd—it reflects a misunderstanding of how financial goals, like owning a house, relate to income. Here's why this thinking is flawed:

  1. Profit vs. Net Worth: Making $1,000 in profit doesn't directly equate to being able to afford a house because buying a house requires not just income but also savings, creditworthiness, and a down payment. Profit is only a small piece of the puzzle.

  2. Costs and Expenses: Owning a house involves more than just the purchase price. You need to consider closing costs, property taxes, maintenance, and potentially ongoing mortgage payments. $1,000 would likely not be enough to cover even a fraction of these.

  3. Leverage and Financing: Most people don't buy houses outright; they use loans or mortgages. To secure a mortgage, lenders look at your total financial picture: income, savings, debt, and credit score. Simply generating $1,000 won't improve these factors significantly.

  4. Specificity of the Goal: "Making $1,000" is a general financial milestone, not a specific strategy tailored to the requirements of owning a home. A more actionable goal would involve budgeting, saving for a down payment, and improving credit.

  5. The Backwards Logic: The idea that reaching an arbitrary profit threshold suddenly makes you eligible for something like owning a house conflates short-term gains with long-term financial stability. A better approach is to reverse-engineer the goal: start by determining the total cost of the house, then work backwards to figure out how much you need to save monthly, how much income you need to earn, and what steps are required to secure financing.

Example of Goal-Oriented Thinking:

If you wanted to own a $200,000 house:

You might need a 10% down payment ($20,000).

Closing costs could add $5,000–$10,000.

Monthly income would need to support a mortgage payment (let’s say $1,200/month).

Steps would include saving regularly, reducing debt, and improving credit, rather than focusing on an isolated profit milestone like $1,000.

Summary:

Focusing on a single, arbitrary profit number like $1,000 doesn’t align with the comprehensive planning required for significant financial goals like home ownership. Instead, success depends on a holistic view of your finances and structured goal-setting.

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guess we're never getting AGI then, there's no way they end up with that much profit before this whole AI bubble collapses and their value plummets.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The context here is that OpenAI has a contract with Microsoft until they reach AGI. So it's not a philosophical term but a business one.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right but that's not interesting to anyone but themselves. So why call it AGI then? Why not just say once the company has made over x amount of money they are split off to a separate company. Why lie and say you've developed something that you might not have developed.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

honestly I agree. 100 Billion profit is incredibly impressive and would overtake basically any other software industry in the world but alas it doesn't have anything to do with "AGI". For context, Apple's net income is 90 Billion this year.

I've listened to enough interviews to know that all of AI leaders want this holy grail title of "inventor of AGI" more than anything else so I don't think the definitely will ever be settled collectively until something so mind blowing exists that would really render the definition moot either way.