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I believe in socialism, but I feel Stalin shouldn't be idolised due to things like the Gulag.

I would like more people to become socialist, but I feel not condemning Stalin doesn't help the cause.

I've tried to have a constructieve conversation about this, but I basically get angry comments calling me stupid for believing he did atrocious things.

That's not how you win someone over.

I struggle to believe the Gulag etc. Never happened, and if it happened I firmly believe Stalin should be condemned.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Shouldn't the dictatorship of the proletariat have been disbanded after the revolution was successful?

Why were the people not free to self organize into communes of their own design that best reflects their values?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At what point do you think Marxists believe the DotP is to be ended? Moreover, what do you think a DotP is? People weren't allowed to dissolve government into small communes because they were invaded by more than 14 Capitalist countries, and in addition the Soviets were Marxists and not Anarchists, they wanted full public ownership and central planning as the goal.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Sooner the Soviets I guess. A shame there was no peace to see what could have been.

Same as it ever was.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The USSR never had a single year of peace, in its entire existence. Following the revolution was a brutal civil war in which 14+ nations (including the US) landed troops to try to stop the republic. Even after the reds won against the whites, they had years of intrigues against them, then rising fascism, which a lot of historians see as a continuous conflict in eastern europe from the years between the twe world wars.

Stalin presciently stated that "we have 10 years to industrialize in the time it took capitalist nations 50+ years, or we're toast". Then you have operation barbarossa and the nazi onslaught, with its scorched earth policy and genocidal onslaught of the USSR, the eastern front of ww2 being the bloodiest conflict in history, with the soviets saving the world from fascism.

Then you have the US atom bombing civilians as a warning to the soviets, and 60 years of a cold war arms race, and too many other threats and incursions to count.

The USSR wouldn't have lasted a single year if they disarmed and followed that advice, and europe would probably be all speaking german now if it weren't for Stalin.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Appreciate the reply m'dude.