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I know this is a joke, but if this is genuinely how someone thinks, then it so self-absorbed and narrow minded to not be able to step out of your own mindset.
The comment implies absolute good/evil and that people are knowingly acting evil. The people you don't agree with do have consistent moral principles that they are working with (however misguided or skewed they may be). I can't stand racist/sexist people either, but if you can't see how these people are worried that "woke" people are destroying their view of society and threatening their morals, then you won't really be able to engage them to change their minds. This entrenched thinking is why all discourse is now just shouting matches at each other.
There was a time when I was worried about changing people’s minds and trying to see things from their side. It’s not worth the effort any more, at least for me. They’re dug in and want to argue, but they aren’t open to changing their minds.
I don’t feel like it’s my responsibility to tolerate their hatred to try to explain why they should care about people that aren’t like them. I’d rather spend time with the people that I feel safe around and know aren’t bigoted
when is this stupid "we need to sit down and 'talk to nazis' in order to change their minds" attitude going to finally fucking die?
we've been way too fucking tolerant of that shit for way too many years, and thanks to that, we're living in a fascist country now. excuse me, but fuck that shit.
fuck trump, fuck everyone who voted for him, fuck everyone who voted third party, and fuck everyone who didn't vote. the time for trying to "understand" and "engage" cultists who literally throw away any viewpoint they don't like as "fake news" is long fucking past.
this stupid bullshit is why we got trump the first time AND now.
edit: the only reason biden won 2020 was because of trump's absolute-worst-fucking-possible response to covid, which would have been fucking hilarious if so many innocent people didn't have to die from it
Nah, it’s sports team mentality. You can say any reasoned, logical, humanist argument you want, but people will never turn against their “team”.
That is verifiably wrong. Daryl Davies is a black man who has convinced dozens of members of the KKK to renounce their beliefs and their robes. You absolutely can convince people that their beliefs are wrong.
Yeah you can, but it’s damn hard. I’m aware of Daryl and he’s done great things, it it’s a tiny fraction of 1%.
If you have the time, the means, the resources and the will probably. Is it worth it? Most likely not.
Exactly. There was a fantastic podcast episode looking at how he did this, but I can't find which specific episode it was now.
I can't believe what I said is being considered such a disagreeable hot take....but I guess that's how polarised the world has become.
Your take is only disagreeable because of how unrealistic it is. Do you honestly think everyone else, or even better, society as a whole can implement such time-consuming and long-term methods?
I'm not arguing against the worth or effectiveness of the method. It's actually extremely impressive as a story, but is it feasible as your average way to deal with racists?
Spoiler, no it's not feasible
You're also on Lemmy so not exactly a fair sample demographic
Fuck no, they absolutely do not. Their principles are entirely cherry picked and applied only when convenient. If you can't see that, I'm not really sure what world you're living in but it ain't this one
I think what's more depressing about all of this is how many people agreed with you...yuck
And what's most uplifting is that of all the replies expressing disagreement, yours was the only disrespectful one
Well, not everyone is going to be openly vocal about a shitty take. That's a personal choice anyone can make. Just like I chose to express my disagreement about that original pointless comment, about my disappointment at anyone who upvoted it...and now at you too for, I'm guessing, being one of those who also upvoted that.
Am I supposed to feel bad about someone who's playing the devil's advocate for racist people? Lmao