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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

nah, its a big step ahead of letting unelected billionaires control discourse, instead of an elected governing body.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lemmy is still shit governance wise. It's just a bunch of fiefdom managed by god knows who, there's absolutely nothing democratic about it.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

no one corporation can censor it or turn it into an altright cesspool.

every individual or company can have a federated instance if they please. lemmy is more akin to the old forums, which are a massive step forward.

not perfect; much better.

although i think my op was responding to another comment and i did a wrong.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Instances are worthless, what has value are the /c/ and absolutely nothing in the Lemmy model protects communities from the admin of the instance where it was created to go full Elon. I bet that at some point it will happen.

Most of the time you don't even know who is running the instance. Suffice that one of them that's running a large enough communities needs a bit of cash and decide to sell it. Or they could be in bed/owned by any intelligence agency/corporation/political party. Who knows.

I've spend a year in my lost time musing on the design of a truly decentralised model where identity, community, curation (moderation) and distribution are entirely decorrelated to address those specific issue among all the othes, including the one you mentioned. It's complex, it's a big task, but I don't think it's impossible. I'm too lazy to code it though :D

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

absolutely nothing in the Lemmy model protects communities from the admin of the instance where it was created to go full Elon

I'd say the low cost of migration does, especially if user awareness remains high (and since most users are here over complaints of the APIs being restricted, I'd say there's an above-average awareness). It's pretty easy to clone a community onto another instance, and it would be trivial for users to migrate too.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

As you discovered when you tried to get your friends to use Signal instead of whatsapp it's actually very hard to move people.

Everyone was "yeah let's leave Reddit the owner are evil and taking away our mobile apps". Barely anyone did. It is not trivial to convince a group of people to move.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My point is that it's very different from moving from WhatsApp to Signal, or from reddit to Lemmy.

Let's imagine on an instance, a community mod started flooding their /c/technology with ads and deleting any posts criticising them. And suppose the admins decide not to step in, saying it's their community and their right to do that.

How painful would it be for users to go from /c/technology over to /c/tech or /c/technology@other.site ? There is a far smaller barrier - it's basically two clicks on their side to change their comm subscriptions, they don't risk losing communication with friends or miss out on a larger site's content feeds, or have to deal with 'one more app', they don't have to learn a new tool, they just use a different community.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

But it's still better than Reddit, e.g.