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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef's kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.

If you can't withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he'd personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems like the ultimate nature of leftist ideology is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen, and everyone has a slightly differing philosophy that they refuse to budge on. So they fight eachother instead of the existential fascist threat.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 weeks ago

Leftists infighting! That's crazy!

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I sounded like you until I went offline and learned about Anarchism, anarcha-communism, intersectionality, Mutualism and Solidarity Economies. You might get your feelings hurt by online ML's, but that's not the real world. I dont agree much or even at all with some ML's, and others I date. And I give less than zero fucks about what any .world neolib has to say about anything, given how much their system more than anything else has colonized and raped the planet and her peoples.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm all for anarcho-communism. I studied it in college. I don't know what the execution looks like though in practice but I find it appealing.

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

🫶 In practice, every locality people are being the rescue workers to their neighbors Whenever and whereever Corporate & State institutions inevitably give way to their own weight and parasitism, the darker the times, the brighter folks shine. It isnt always intentional solidarity (rural townfolk often embody the practices as a matter of survival and culture, diverse as any peoples), and I'm always leery of calling things "natural"...but I do believe people have a tendency to want to help one another.

Local Mutual Aid organizations, and Encouraging anti-authoritarian parenting methods, are the two things we can do to drastically reduce violence in our society

“Practicing mutual aid is the surest means for giving each other and to all the greatest safety, the best guarantee of existence and progress, bodily, intellectually and morally.” Mutual Aid By Pëtr Kropotkin https://thereitis.org/kropotkins-mutual-aid/ https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-mutual-aid-an-introduction-and-evaluation

“The structures of our state economies are going to matter in terms of protecting democracies, and by that I mean if you look at economies that were based in the kind of small producer economies like New England was vs states like the South and the American West that were always built on the idea of very high capital using extractive methods to get resources out of the land either cotton or mining or oil or water or agri business, those economies always depend on a few people with a lot of money, and then a whole bunch of people who are poor and doing the work for those Rich guys -- and that I'm not sure is compatible in terms of governance without addressing the reality that you know if people have more of a foothold in their own communities, they are then more likely to support the kinds of legislation that Community [Education, Healthcare, ..] and that may be the future of democracy, if not a national democracy"

https://youtu.be/D7cKOaBdFWo?t=2139 Heather Cox Richardson, professor of American history On The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart on Trump’s Win and What’s Next

Our resulting interactions may seem chaotic and illegible to authority, but it is through that seeming chaos that vastly complex, horizontal, and resilient practices of learning, cooperation, and reciprocity have historically arisen. https://youtu.be/qkN_nQPpeSU Mutualism: What Anarchy Needs By Andrewism

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/jp3q4p/comment/gbesw1p/

About preventing crime, the short version is that it starts in the home.

Much violent crime can be traced back to cultural factors. Violent crime, such as murder, would probably decrease dramatically in an anarchist society because most of its causes — poverty, televised glorification of violence, prisons and police, warfare, sexism, and the normalization of individualistic and anti-social behaviors — would disappear or decrease.

The differences between two Zapotec communities illustrates that peace is a choice. The Zapotec are a sedentary agrarian indigenous nation living on land that is now claimed by the state of Mexico. One Zapotec community, La Paz, has a yearly homicide rate of 3.4/100,000. A neighboring Zapotec community has the much higher homicide rate of 18.1/100,000. What social attributes go along with the more peaceful way of life? Unlike their more violent neighbors, the La Paz Zapotec do not beat children; accordingly, children see less violence and use less violence in their play. Similarly, wife-beating is rare and not considered acceptable; women are considered equal to men, and enjoy an autonomous economic activity that is important to the life of the community so they are not dependent on men. Regarding child-rearing, the implications of this particular comparison are corroborated by at least one cross-cultural study on socialization, which found that warm, affectionate socialization techniques correlate with low levels of conflict in society.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works

As for the re-emergence of hierarchies, I think that the notion of anarchism is essentially 'checks and balances' turned up to 11. You get to a society that's an ecosystem of fluid social relationships, and an anti-authoritarian culture which makes it impossible in a million ways for anyone to accumulate power. If we could get there, I think it would be more robust than current liberal democracy, where the branches of government can cooperate and you need buy-in from less people to enable power to be accumulated.

IMO, good anarchist praxis is to 1) encourage and popularize anti-authoritarian parenting methods and 2) build strong community groups and mutual aid networks.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

this is just stupid... socialism wont work because online moderation is hard?? sigh... so tedious

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

Well. If the most ardest proponents can't hold it to the fire then how are the rest of us normies supposed to come on board? Clearly there is a disconnect between praxis and ideology

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Lemmy.ml communism is mostly just a facade for spreading propaganda to useful idiots. If they were real communists I'd have some respect for them.