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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

"Free speech!"

Ok tankie.

"Not like that!"

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Or more subtly:

I can't even say life's a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that's not my intent and I don't think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?

It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn't pay any regard to a comment's set language so even If I set my comment to French "retard" will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.

Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removed

Edit: actually, let's see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:

Edit2: lmao

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

I've tried to talk about fire retardants there once... It gets cut too.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

Je suis en retard

[–] spacedout@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders' World Press Freedom index. I'm not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn't seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like "tankie" (a word with parallels to terms like "pinko" and "judeo Bolshevik").

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.

I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn't parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.

[–] spacedout@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.

What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?

[–] spacedout@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Thank you, that's true but doesn't catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn't need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.

I've been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.