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Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.

His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.

Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.

Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.

"A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too," said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.

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[–] Senal@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes everyone understands all that. But are you saying we people that vote blue should keep trying the same failing tactics?

No, but if your tactic changes haven't been implemented by the time voting comes around and the choice remains "nazi's vs not nazi's" then you should be voting "not nazi's".

"The Dems continue to fuck up repeatedly, so i can understand why people chose nazi this time" isn't a tenable argument.

I'm not disagreeing with your disappointment in, well, everything.

I'm disagreeing with this part of your previous reply

Anyone else other than literally Nazie’s (aka Trump, JD, the majority of RNC members and leaders, and some of their voters), shouldn’t be blamed.

If a person understands that the choice is nazi vs not nazi and then actively chooses to not vote, they are tacitly choosing nazi.

"If i vote for the not-nazi's, they won't understand how disappointed in them i am" is not a good argument.

"Their policies don't align with what i want" is not a good argument

"They don't represent my values" is not a good argument

There is no good beginning half to the sentence "< INSERT REASON HERE >, so i tacitly enabled the nazi's"

Except maybe, "I genuinely believe the alternative is worse, so i tacitly enabled the nazi's".

Even then i'd probably disagree, but it would be a substantive argument.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My argument is. Why keep doing a failed strategy? We know how a center right Democratic party ends. Either they lose and Nazies run ramped or they win and the Nazies gain ground until the next election.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Sure, as i said, i don't disagree with that.

What does that argument have to do with whether or not people should assigned some responsibility for how they voted (or didn't) ?