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[–] walnutwalrus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (35 children)

I'm not particularly "vindictive" but these are the kinds of cases where capital punishment / death penalty seem justified

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (31 children)

It's never justified.

It won't bring the babies back. It won't stop her killing more babies any better than prison will. It won't discourage other people from killing babies.

All it does is turn "murder is wrong" into "murder is wrong (unless I think you deserve it)"... and guess which of those most murderers believe?

[–] fabulousflamingos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A large number of people would disagree with you and they would be right to do so. Your opinion does not mean fact.

Nothing anyone does will bring those poor children back from the dead. That's not the point of justice. The point of it is to fulfill what the people think qualifies as moral righteousness. It's what the word actually means if you look it up in a dictionary, and for the majority of people, they believe the death penalty in cases like this is right and I for one can't fault them.

The point of wanting her dead isn't to bring the babies back. It's to get rid of her, permanently, as they rightfully should. We know prison isn't enough because others have cited the case of another baby murderer who is now up for parole and may be released, completely defeating the point of life sentences in jail.

murder is wrong (unless I think you deserve it)

And that's how many philosophical schools of thought work, and they are quite honestly more valid than yours. Deontology is a terrible moral outlook and cases like this is why. We can't have a moral and just society if we only judge morality by action and not by the circumstances of that action, who is affected, who commits it and why, etc.

What you're asking for is actually unempathetic, cruel, and quite honestly really dangerous for the community.

[–] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The other case of a baby killer being eligible for parole is not the same as this one - she didn't get a sentence till death, this one is.

[–] fabulousflamingos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That fact makes it all the worse.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't hurt yourself explaining why.

[–] fabulousflamingos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have to. It's obvious to anyone who actually cares about their community and not defending baby murderers for their political agendas.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] fabulousflamingos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you need to have someone explain to you why allowing a baby killer to go on parole -- and allowed back into society -- is bad, then the problem is not me, the problem is you. You have to put in the effort and think for yourself... though clearly you're not very good at it.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A large number of people would disagree with you and they would be right to do so. Your opinion does not mean fact.

What a hilariously self-absorbed comment. I never claimed my opinion was fact, but you tried to shame me for it anyway, while one sentence earlier acting like disagreeing with me is objectively correct.

Then you move on to presenting "eligible for parole" as "about to be released", then stating your opinion about what a life sentence means as fact.

And as the cherry atop a dogshit comment, you throw a fistful of character flaws at me, none of which you've even attempted to justify, let alone succeeded in justifying.

Hop back in your clown car and fuck off.

[–] fabulousflamingos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then you move on to presenting “eligible for parole” as “about to be released”, then stating your opinion about what a life sentence means as fact.

Baby murderers should never be eligible for parole under any circumstances and the fact that she is is the problem. It proves that imprisonment isn't a guarantee she'll be permanently separated from society, taking away any credibility toward the claim that it's a satisfactory means to protect the community.

You just don't want to see a baby murderer be punished. That's what the real issue is. And you're vile and morally repugnant for holding that view.

And as the cherry atop a dogshit comment, you throw a fistful of character flaws at me, none of which you’ve even attempted to justify, let alone succeeded in justifying.

Your viewpoint speaks for itself. You want me to hold you in high esteem? Stop trying to manipulate other people into thinking a baby murderer shouldn't be held accountable for her actions or punished.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Baby murderers should never be eligible for parole under any circumstances and the fact that she is is the problem

Your opinion isn't fact and it definitely isn't law. But by all means, keep demeaning yourself by making it clear you don't know the difference between "life sentence" and "life imprisonment", even after someone links it to you.

You just don't want to see a baby murderer be punished. That's what the real issue is.

Nope, that's the issue you just made up because apparently you've decided to make amphetamines and BPD your entire personality.

And you're vile and morally repugnant for holding that view.

Having imaginary enemies isn't any less childish than having imaginary friends. Nobody is going to believe the fictional character you're openly building inside your head is actually me.

You want me to hold you in high esteem?

I couldn't care less and I've got no idea what gave you that impression. I'm just going to assume it's something you want me to feel, like all the other thoughts and opinions you're projecting onto me in a way that's clearly unbalanced.

Stop trying to manipulate other people into thinking a baby murderer shouldn't be held accountable for her actions or punished.

It really upset you to have your little murder fantasy criticised didn't it?

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