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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

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[–] match@pawb.social 164 points 2 months ago (7 children)

it was vastly easier to install linux mint than it is to figure out registry editing or whatever the fuck i'd need to avoid this

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 93 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nah, mate, Linux is hard, you need to know what a Wayland is. In comparison, Windows is very simple and lightweight, you only have to run a dozen Powershell scripts and edit the registry weekly to get rid of ads.

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Do I look like I know what a Wayland is?"

[–] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just want a picture of a goddamn hotdog

[–] djvinniev77@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

You sonova... Have an upvote

[–] ilikecoffee@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.. "Windows is very simple and lightweight" 😂

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 44 points 2 months ago

And some Windows update would "accidentally" undo that anyways.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is where some Windows shill says "you only need to fix it once!" as if this is your only computer ever, and the only problem you need to fix. And then Windows changes it back to their default in next year's update.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

And as if it's entirely reasonable for the maker of your OS to intentionally work against your ability to control your own hardware and what runs on it.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The difference between Linux and Windows is on Linux you're working with the operating system to make modifications and taking advantage of its vast resources (extensive wikis on major distos, terminal auto completion with fish and zsh, preconfigured defaults when installing through the package manager, etc). Meanwhile on Windows you're actively working against the system in order to disable unwanted features like AI and telemetry.

(Also I would recommend looking into Debian, the software may be a tad bit old but its the most stable distribution)

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Happy Debian daily driver here. I would never ever recommend raw Debian to a garden variety would-be Linux convert.

If you think something like Debian is something a Linux illiterate can just pick up and start using proficiently, you're severely out of touch with how most computer users actually think about their machines. If you even so much as know the name of your file explorer program, you're in a completely different league.

Debian prides itself on being a lean, no bloat, and stable environment made only of truly free software (with the ability to opt-in to nonfree software). To people like us, that's a clean, blank canvas on a rock-solid, reliable foundation that won't enshittify. But to most people, it's an austere, outdated, and unfashionable wasteland full of flaky, ugly tooling.

Debian can be polished to any standard one likes, but you're expected to do it yourself. Most people just aren't in the game to play it like that. Debian saddles questions of choice almost no one is asking, or frankly, even knew was a question that was ask*-able*. Mandatory customizeability is a flaw, not a feature.

I am absolutely team "just steer them to Mint". All the goodness of Debian snuck into their OS like medicine in a kid's dessert, wrapped up in something they might actually find palatable. Debian itself can be saved for when, or shall I say if, the user eventually goes poking under the hood to discover how the machine actually ticks.

[–] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Debian is probably one of the worst choices for someone looking to try Linux, especially for gaming.

Nothing better than setting everything up only to find you can't install some new thing because your xyz is too old

[–] Omniforous@mander.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

I was on Debian Sid for a year or 2 and gaming was working perfectly until I did an update that uninstalled my GUI and WiFi drivers. I'm on Mint now and it's been smooth sailing so far

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

Debian is always my first choice, but I'm not playing the newest stuff (Far Cry 5/7D2D/Ark/etc), while it hasn't been 'smooth sailing', I haven't found anything that just refuses to play.

Debian just looking out for their users making sure they don't waste time playing vidya.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Anyone whos new to gaming on Linux is probably using the Steam Flatpak, also stability is more important for newer users then a few utilities that power users (like myself) enjoy.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also I would recommend looking into Debian, the software may be a tad bit old but its the most stable distribution

I daily drive Mint, which is in the Debian family. Highly recommend it as it is geared for a 'works out of the box' experience for people. And the default UI (Cinnamon) is very familiar to Windows users. Complete with a task bar, tray, and searchable start menu.

Pure Debian is more of a server OS, and not something one should recommend as a daily driver. It's not deficient in that, but it takes a fair bit of work to get it up and running for daily use.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I absolutely love Linux mint. I use it daily for dev work, but I’d also install it on my mother’s old laptop so she could keep using Facebook on it or whatever.

[–] mack7400@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Same. First distro that was actually painless 10 years ago, and I haven't looked back.

[–] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been very impressed by the out-of-the-box experience with Pop!_OS. My Steam games work, and I have Elder Scrolls Online running through Lutris.

So far, everything just works.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

I have to admit that one does look really good too.

I have a couple of old windows machines at home, so eventually (maybe as a winter project) I’ll need to decide if I want to try some other distros long term.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 months ago

yes thank you!

[–] ilikecoffee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought Cinnamon and Mate were different things... /s

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the people who doesn't get it (I notice your /s, so you do get it): It's has a hidden joke. Mate can also mean "friend". So "Welcome to Linux Mint mate!" can mean two things at the same time. Hence my reply: "Maybe Cinnamon mate!", where "Cinnamon" refers to "Linux Mint Cinnamon", but mate just refers to friend/buddy. But Mate can also mean MATE, a classic desktop environment for Linux Mint.

[–] ilikecoffee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Oh haha, didn't realise that pun was intended... But yeah thats right :)

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm thinking of changing my life (to require less of rot-affected computing) and moving to FreeBSD. Even Linux is hard in small ways, even if worlds easier than Windows. Would be OpenBSD if not for games.

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mate you think BSD is better than Linux for ease-of-configuration -- in what fucking universe?!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dunno

in what fucking universe

"BSD" is one thing, so can't answer your question.

If you meant that Linux has a lot of graphical configurators to do things - GUI is not necessarily easier than editing config files, because config files can be clean and compact and examples well-commented, and documentation can actually describe how to use the bloody thing. It's just that in Linux this is not the case. While GUI configurators can be hardly usable nonsense and yes, in Linux they mostly are.

And this difference in wide strokes is indeed common for all 4 BSDs against Linux for things that differ between operating systems.

The rest sucks just as badly.

EDIT: I wonder if any person upvoting/downvoting these comments has ever tried the things they are about.