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Tesla has finally released Full Self-Driving (FSD) for the Cybertruck to Tesla employees and Early Access Testers with update 2024.32.20.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the autonomous driving levels are designed to includes vehicles with no driver whatsoever, as that is an inevitability of self driving vehicles.

not sure what youre going on about here.

e. for the ignorant: https://www.faistgroup.com/news/autonomous-vehicles-levels/

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How is this downvoted? It's a correct response to a false claim: "no matter what the underlying tech is. "
The post responded to is basically nonsensical.

Also this part:

As long as the “driver” is responsible in case of a crash and not the manufacturer of the car, it will stay supervised

If this was changed to "it must stay supervised" It would make more sense.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because it is a legal question, not a technological one.
Now, I don't know if the for example US traffic law has a tickbox somewhere a manufacturer can go and mark that they will take full responsibility in case of any accident and it will never be the result or liability of the owner/"driver" of the car, but until it does exist there is only supervised self driving, no matter how well or poorly it actually functions or what it does.

Even the current robotaxi endeavours are just one major fatal accident away from grinding to a halt when the courts start figuring out who in the chain from insurer to owner to manufacturer and every worker and designer who has even remotely touched the project is actually responsible for that death.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because it is a legal question,

I don't get it, you wrote: " it will stay supervised", even though we've seen numerous cases where it was not. It just doesn't make sense, because it's contrary to reality. Disregarding it is illegal. But because it's illegal it would make sense to write it MUST stay supervised.
But then there's the matter of Mercedes FSD that is actually legal!