this post was submitted on 28 Sep 2024
496 points (99.0% liked)

Games

16430 readers
968 users here now

Video game news oriented community. No NanoUFO is not a bot :)

Posts.

  1. News oriented content (general reviews, previews or retrospectives allowed).
  2. Broad discussion posts (preferably not only about a specific game).
  3. No humor/memes etc..
  4. No affiliate links
  5. No advertising.
  6. No clickbait, editorialized, sensational titles. State the game in question in the title. No all caps.
  7. No self promotion.
  8. No duplicate posts, newer post will be deleted unless there is more discussion in one of the posts.
  9. No politics.

Comments.

  1. No personal attacks.
  2. Obey instance rules.
  3. No low effort comments(one or two words, emoji etc..)
  4. Please use spoiler tags for spoilers.

My goal is just to have a community where people can go and see what new game news is out for the day and comment on it.

Other communities:

Beehaw.org gaming

Lemmy.ml gaming

lemmy.ca pcgaming

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 65 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

The missing context here (I think) is that California passed a law saying that digital storefronts (like steam and gog) can't say things like "buy game" because you aren't actually gaining ownership of the game, but instead just buying a license to access it. Some people were questioning if this law should apply to gog since their games are drm free and can be freely installed on any compatible devices once you download the installer.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Some of their games are drm-free/have offline installers

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Isn't the law only about always online games?

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That was my understanding as well.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed a law, AB 2426, to address concerns over "disappearing" purchases of digital media, including games, movies, music, and ebooks.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/you-think-you-own-your-games-california-law-says-otherwise/1100-6526747/

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It should because their use agreement makes it clear that you don't own the games but are licensing them. That's pretty much why they had to clarify what they said I'd imagine. IMO, proving the point of the law, really.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

This is equally true for almost any game ever sold, including physical ones. You only ever own a license that specifies what you can and cannot do with the game. The difference is in what this license is tied to, for example either a physical copy of a given game or an account that can be remotely deactivated taking away all your games. In GOG's case once you grab the installer, the game license cannot be easily forcibly revoked, just as with the physical copy.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

The difference with physical is that you own the physical medium the license is stored on and are permitted to sell the physical medium with the license. With digital downloads you are not allowed to sell a drive with the files. Since you are technically making a copy.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The worth of a gog game secondhand is 0 though. Theres nothing to be made there.

People do sell accounts though.

[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Isn’t there a clause in baldur’s gate 3 terms that lets you transfer the game license once to a friend or something along those lines?

Not sure how that works but it’d be cool if we can have that apply for all of them (digitally) maybe like 3 times over the lifetime of the licensed game.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Only thing I could find was section 5 which relates to eldritch law. Worth a read!

[–] minimalfootprint@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for saying this.

With recent campaigns and rants against digital media, people often claim that "you own the game if you buy a physical copy". That always makes me sigh, because it's false.

Not saying there are some advantages for some use cases, but I dislike hyperbole and untruths.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 12 points 17 hours ago

That's just semantics.

When you buy a CD, you don't own the songs.

But you do have some item that belongs to you.

With Steam, you have a ticket that will let you into Steam to download the game for as long as your account is in good standing and as long as Steam exists.

With GOG, you have a file you can use to install the game on any machine INDEFINITELY. GOG can't revoke your access for any reason, and if GOG shuts down, you can still install the games.

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't really matter because it doesn't change the point that people think they own digital goods when they don't. GOG may have a more consumer friendly system in place but it doesn't change what has happened with people's music, movies, shows, games and music in games at these digital storefronts, where people have clicked "Buy X" and later on, it's no longer in their libraries anymore. This has happened even when the business still exists and is still providing digital goods.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

With GOG, you can buy any game, and you'll have files to keep. Once you have the installer, you can keep that forever.

Even if your GOG account is hacked, banned, and GOG goes out of business, you can forever install your game onto any compatible machine, even offline, and play the game.

That's what GOG does differently.

It's like buying a physical game, except there's no disc. They can't revoke your access or deactivate your ability to play the game.

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I know that. That still misses the point. The point of the law is to clarify that on digital storefronts that you make purchases for licensed digital goods, that you can't imply to the consumer that they actually own those goods. It doesn't matter if there is an offline installer. It doesn't matter if you can 'keep your installers forever'.

[–] Kelly@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

This article seems to say that it covers only digital items that have an always online requirement.

https://www.gamefile.news/p/california-ab2426-crew-call-of-duty

So i think offline games don't need the warning, but online games, steaming movies, etc do need the warning.

Edit:

I looked a bit further and found the bill text:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB2426#99INT

(4) This section does not apply to any of the following:

[...]

(C) Any digital good that is advertised or offered to a person that the seller cannot revoke access to after the transaction, which includes making the digital good available at the time of purchase for permanent offline download to an external storage source to be used without a connection to the internet.

This exception clearly allows for user downloadable installer for a game with offline functionality. But consoles, steam, etc where you don't get a standalone installer, they look like they will need the warning on all titles.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Technically that also applies to Steam, since you get a digital good available at the moment of purchase for permanent offline download to an external storage, just copy the game folder and you're done. It would be the equivalent of a music store place downloading mp3s (and the equivalent to GoG would be selling an .iso to the music CD you can burn whenever you want or an installer that extracts the mp3 to a folder).

If the game itself has DRM then that would also apply to GoG (yes, there are games with DRM on GoG, there's just proportionally less of them).

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How does an offline installer from GOG differ from the offline installer provided on a CD/DVD?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The license for the DVD version is with the actual disk, the license for the offline installer is with the GOG account.

GOG has essentially created a way to bypass their own licenses, as a feature. And it looks like they won't be affected by this law because of it.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They haven't created anything.

They just don't allow games that use DRM (any kind of license check as a prerequisite to run software) on their store. Packaging a game with DRM is an extra step.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

DRM and licensing are separate things.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 52 minutes ago

In the legal sense that having DRM-free software does not mean that you're legally entitled to use it, sure.

But checking for a license before running is literally the entire definition of what DRM is. They aren't "bypassing" anything. They didn't create technology. They simply refused to allow software that has any type of license check (DRM).