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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won't work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don't abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 105 points 3 months ago (46 children)

Start asking your favourite content creators to post on PeerTube.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 93 points 3 months ago (12 children)

And how are they going to make a living to keep producing videos?

I’d say ask them to join Nebula.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That depends. If they only make a living with YT ads, then it’s going to be hard.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

About half the ads I see on YouTube are already within the videos they post. I wonder what the overall ratio is of YouTube ad revenue versus in-video ad revenue.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 15 points 3 months ago

Are you talking about sponsors? Because yes, that has nothing to do with YT ads.

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I guess I forgot things like Patreon which could be a valid option. Although I’m neither a fan of subscribing to specific creators nor am I particularly fond of Patreon.

With Nebula my perception is that I pay a monthly fee and they can figure out who gets what depending on whose videos I watched. I don’t need to be particular in my action on who to support.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nebula is a good option, but now you've created a paywall. Now only people who can afford it, can watch the content and what is to keep Nebula from upping the price of the subscription?

If ads is out of the question, then content creators need to use sponsors and patrons, if they want to make a living.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People want a fantasy world where all the main content is free and two or three rich sponsors support the creator by sponsoring little extras only available to Patreon supporters. The ends will never meet in the middle on that. It’s a fantasy where people get what they want for free because someone else pays for it. Won’t work. Get out your cash, kids. Cancel your Netflix and put the money into Nebula.

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[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

An advantage of funding things via a collective like Nebula as opposed to each individual creator managing their own patrons is that new creators can start making bigger, more expensive projects quicker. Even established creators have this advantage, they can take bigger risks on bigger projects with the safety net of a share of the nebula pie.

I don't think a project like The Prince would exist without Nebula, for example.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Thanks for the link, it was a very interesting read. While it is disappointing that it's not actually a collective (assuming this blog post is accurate), having a platform run and owned by 6 creators is still better than YouTube's governance structure, and still has the advantage in having both the capacity and desire to invest in creators.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Nebula is also priced for the masses. You get an entire video service for one reasonable price. Patreon finally has really low priced options like $1 a month but for the longest time it was like $25/month just for the entry level supporter package and I could never justify blowing all that on one creator. I also hated digging around the Patreon app for the sponsor content and dealing with its stupid push notifications.

I find Nebula is a much more sustainable thing. And I still discover new creators there. Because after all I’m not going to be set for life with one or two YT creators. I want to find new things too. Nebula gives you that.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

They also can use sponsors in the video, but that only works when you have enough views.

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[–] warm@kbin.earth 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Remember when people posted on YouTube for fun? It's only when it became a viable business that the platform turned to shit.

[–] borgertwo@ani.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, youtube now is just one big ad and sponsorship cesspool flooded with clickbait and misinformation and with highly privacy invasive protocol. Its a souless capitalisic corporate machine. I dont know why people would still use it. Just let youtube die.

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[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

All the people I watch on youtube make the majority of their money on patreon or twitch. Youtube is way too heavy handed with demonitization and copyright strikes to be a trutsworthy income source.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nebula is cool and all, but at the end of the day, it's still a commercial platform, and those do tend to enshittify and depend a lot on externalities.

As creators grow more dependent on Nebula, Sam and the team of original Nebula creators can wield more power and change the rules.

They already dictate the kind of content that is allowed - for example, Second Thought, one of the original creators behind Nebula, was asked to leave as he doesn't agree to change public stance on Israeli-Palestinian conflict (he is pro-Palestine). This has suddenly left him without a source of revenue necessary for the production to expand, and has put him into debt.

Solution? Probably independent sponsorships that would go both on YouTube and PeerTube videos. Or a creator reward system like in Lbry/Odysee. Something that would allow to reward creators without going full commercial.

[–] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Patreon and all the other services creators have at their disposal already.

Don't think most Youtubers can make a living these days solely on YT as revenue, and are already exploring other avenues.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

They can still post on YouTube.

It might take a tiny bit of their revenue away but I doubt it would make much of a dent, especially for creators that run mostly on patreon anyway.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago

Direct payment to creators seems like the most simple and efficient method.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Paying Nebula subscriber here 🙋‍♂️

I can’t stand hearing people whine about wanting everything for free and how DARE people try to make a living so they can eat in between making videos!!!

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[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

And then watch the peertube instance die. See also: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

or odysee ig but i cannot find a good peertube instance i can post in

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[–] sag@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Civvie 11 is a old head. How do I convince him?

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 points 3 months ago

What have you tried so far?

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