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It’s like you’re trying to miss the point.
It’s a comment, not my opening arguments to the debate, it’s perfectly legal to “hack” things you own, especially your fucking phone which pokes a hole in your argument that therefore companies shouldn’t be able to either.
It’s illegal to break into other peoples stuff, not your own which is why these loopholes holes will always exist for “consumers” who wish to “get back into their own stuff”
How would making it illegal for companies to find security holes in other companies phones prevent cops from going to underground sources if what they’re doing now is so illegal?
Idk maybe I have missed your point, I really don’t see how the logic follows
I do agree it seems legal to hack the things you own. My comment has nothing to do with that, so your comment felt like a nonsequiter, or at best a straw man.
In this case, cellebrite is not hacking things it owns. It is hacking things other people own. It is bizarre to me how this is legal given the laws against it that individuals have been prosecuted with. Also, doing security research to find vulnerabilities usually results in disclosing those vulnerabilities to the software producer. In this case, cellebrite is not doing that because it would not like to see those vulnerabilities patched.
Cellebrite not disclosing the vulnerabilities isn’t very “nice” but it’s not the law. I’m definitely not arguing for this company being ethical in any way. They’re also not the one hacking other peoples devices. They just make the device that is capable of doing so.
Forgive the analogy, but they’re basically making guns. Now whether or not we should allow anyone to make weapons that could impact others is another question we’ve not had sufficient time to discuss legally yet. Mostly because the govt in my country is old as shit and mostly clueless about tech
They do hack the devices though. https://9to5mac.com/2022/02/10/cellebrite-kit-cant-unlock-iphones/
To follow your gun analogy, it’s like “we won’t sell you this special gun, but for a fee we can be your hit man.”
Oh…
Yeah that’s not so great and should definitely be handled. How do they know for example that you’re with the police for sure or not etc etc