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Woman who was denied a liver transplant, after review highlighted alcohol use, has died (www.ctvnews.ca)
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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I believe this is FALSE:

[she] relapsed into drinking while on the transplant list,

Where does it say this? I reread it 3 times. That's a huge part of the story and not one you should just make up!

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not made up, I just read a couple other articles that mentioned it.
It's also part of the whole "the only people who can talk freely are the people with an interest in the doctors being wrong".

People aren't turned away because they didn't exercise or because they work too much or they don't get enough sleep or they didn't follow doctor's orders. So, in Nathan and Amanda's case, you're seeing someone being told, 'You didn't follow doctor's orders, so we're not going to help you. We're going to let you die'

As a quote from the other interested party, as well as the "in documents shared with CTV News, notes show [...] their decision was based on 'minimal abstinence outside of hospital.'" is pretty much spelling it out.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

‘minimal abstinence outside of hospital.’”

I'm not sure why folks seem to think ‘minimal abstinence outside of hospital’ is a smoking gun. That's pretty much how medical staff should document an alcoholic whose sobriety only began while hospitalized. It means she hasn't been able to quit drinking!

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In isolation it's not great, but in conjunction with your own advocate talking about you not following a doctor's orders? It doesn't bolster confidence that the individual would follow doctors orders in the future.

It means she hasn't been able to quit drinking!

Yes, that's exactly the point. It's quite unlikely her medical troubles started when she was hospitalized.
A history of not following medical advice casts doubt about a future of following medical advice.

Yes, addiction is a disease that the individual may lack the ability to control. That doesn't change that it's a risk factor for non-compliance that's absent in others who need the transplant.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

whoa wait a minute. I didn't realize which comment i was replying to. I read three different articles and found NOTHING stating she relapsed.

I do similar documentation and I can promise you that "minimal abstinence outside the hospital" does NOT mean relapse.

I'm gonna have to ask to see the citation or ask you to delete your comment for misinfo

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I re-traced my steps, and the source was both dogshit, and didn't site primary sources. I edited the original comment to convey non-compliance before hospitalization was required.

Ultimately "was sick, didn't listen when doctors said to stop drinking" conveys the same doubts that "tried to stop but failed" does about suitability for a donor liver.