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I'm curious, do you actually think there is going to be another civil war?
We're literally already in one. We've been in a cold civil war for about a decade now (arguably the past few decades), and the war's been growing hotter with every mass shooting and tragedy like this one.
This is how civil wars are fought in the modern age. It's not all fancy suits and muskets. It's large swaths of people with opposing views killing each other over it at every opportunity, like this one.
Why do you think school shootings happen? Or mass shootings in general? The vast majority of them are committed by members of right-wing hate groups and it's part of this civil war they've been waging against the left. The whole point is to eradicate the left or force them to submit to their will.
The first civil war never ended. It entered a cold phasw for 150 years or so. That's heating up now.
There were even people waving the battle flag of the Confederate army/navy when the neoconfederates invaded Congress on January 6, 2021.
I still can't believe that these people are getting such light sentences for taking up arms and invading the Capitol.
If they were communists, they'd have been executed by now.
A viewpoint like that is very subject to confirmation bias. Literally any crime is held up as evidence that it is correct. Look at the terms you are using "cold" "about a decade". It isn't a who, what, where, why, and how. It is vague.
Reverse it for a moment. Treat it like a claim in science. What evidence would you use to try to prove your hypothesis wrong?
My guy, it's obvious to the rest of us what's going on and if you can't observe current events for five seconds and see it for yourself, nothing I ever tell you will change your mind.
The truth doesn't depend on you believing it. All I have to do is express it. It's up to you what you decide what you're going to do with it. Listen to it and you have a chance to prepare and you might survive when it all blows up next year. Don't and you won't unless you get lucky -- at the very least, you'll suffer the way refugees of civil wars always do. It's your choice.
These are rhetoric tricks. Refusing to defend your viewpoint and trying to use carrot+stick.
Why not answer my question? It will be easier than bring out stuff that would have been caught that easily.
It's the truth. It's like asserting that because I can't give the scientific explanation for why the grass is green, it must not be, while I am pointing at the grass on the ground and showing you its color.
Again, it's up to you to be willing to accept the reality in front of you and what has been happening innthis country for decades together. It's up to you to be willing to overcome your own pride to save yourself and your family from what's coming. I can only lead you to water. It is you who must choose to drink. Choose wisely. Your family depends on it.
…what the fuck are you talking about.
I'm giving an analogy to demonstrate why his basis for denialism is wrong. He demands a scientific explanation for why an easily observable phenomenon is the way it is in order to accept what his eyes see. It's not enough for him to look at something and see it for what it is.
As in he needs to be told why the grass is green to accept that it is green. It's not enough for him to just look at it and see for himself that it is, in fact, green.
Replace "grass is green" with "civil war is happening", and you'll understand.
Your analogy is false. We have as much data as we want that grass is green. We have no data about the future since it hasn't happened yet. To predict the future to any degree we have to look at trends of the past and apply the scientific method to it.
Forgot the name for this one. It is when you assume the conclusion to get the conclusion. I know it's a basic logical fallacy.
Ok your Cassandra/Jeremiah routine is wearing thin.
Bifurcation, and FUD.
Tautology. Circular reasoning, if you will.
…Right. So, based entirely on faith, with nothing to substantiate it, and with a ~~healthy~~ dose of some weird Messianic complex.
Also, as another commenter pointed out, we actually have surprisingly robust data affirming that yes, indeed, the spectral albedo of grass does show peaks in the 530-550nm range correlating to M-type cone photoreceptor cells— I.E., Is green. Civil war isn't the sort of thing you're going to be able to pass off as self-evident.
Here’s a podcast where the first handful of episodes lays out what it’d look like if a civil war were to happen and why the author thinks there’s a reasonable chance that it could happen.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/it-could-happen-here/id1449762156?i=1000433661458
I do really like Robert Evans, but this is something I wholeheartedly disagree with. Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo could definitely happen, but I think it's far more likely that we'll see an American version of The Troubles. I don't think there are enough people who would truly be willing to fight and die over this; but there's plenty of people willing to commit terrorist bombings or acts of sabotage if they think they can get away with it.
I think the most likely scenario is a dissolution limitation, similar to what happened with the soviet union.
The Soviet Union didn’t collapse from political rhetoric and hurt feelings.
And the morons with enough guns and ammo to fight a war are far too economically comfortable to want actually want one.
If the shit really ever did hit the fan having a few chickens and a garden is going to get you a lot farther than a few thousand rounds.
I haven't listened to the podcast, so maybe I'm wrong... but isn't the "it" in "it could happen here" referring to fascism, not a second civil war?
Pretty important distinction imo
The bar for starting a podcast is a 10 dollar headset.
You should probably look into the person behind it before you throw out your own worthless opinion that had no bar at all towards publication.
Show me what I said that was opinion. Oh I am sorry, was that a strawman?
I stated a fact. "The bar for starting a podcast is a 10 dollar headset."
Oh so that was a non sequitur unrelated to the podcast link posted, since you didn't specifically criticise that specific podcast?
Robert Evans is a journalist btw
So he has a 11 dollar headset?