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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have a Volt, and I resent how few compact hybrid options there will be when I get a replacement. When I drive around, I literally struggle to see around the giant land boats cruising around. They hold up parking lots trying to stuff themselves into spaces, and if I get hit by one I'm much more likely to be injured. Average car size is kind of a tragedy of the commons. Everyone suffers when the cars get bigger, but the individuals with the dumb land boats suffer little of the cost.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

tragedy of the commons

TILAW (today I learned a word):

The tragedy of the commons is a metaphoric label for a concept that is widely discussed in economics, ecology and other sciences. According to the concept, should a number of people enjoy unfettered access to a finite, valuable resource such as a pasture, they will tend to over-use it, and may end up destroying its value altogether. To exercise voluntary restraint is not a rational choice for individuals – if they did, the other users would merely supplant them – yet the predictable result is a tragedy for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, the metaphor has fallen out of fashion for a lot of reasons, including that the guy who coined the expression turned out to be a real piece of shit, but the core concept is still a valid one.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, there are really tangential analogies about how self-interested behavior can have negative consequences, but it is and has always been based around a bunch of numerous myths. Externalities is a better description of this.

Elinor Ostrom investigated management of the commons and the original description of tragedy of the commons was a complete lie. The commons were enclosed so that in this transitional stage of feudal lords could become businessmen that could profit off of using the land rather than taxing a peasant community living off of it. The enclosed commons is an asset to generate profit, where if enough of an increase in profit could be achieved, that could be reinvested, meant that exhausting the land would be an economically rational strategy. Where, if a peasant community is using it to sustain themselves, they have to carefully manage and steward that land so it is still producing for themselves years later, their children, and their grandchildren. The complete opposite of what the "tragedy of the commons" describes.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The idea of a commons as a shared resource that must be maintained through collective action is still a useful metaphor for our global environment. Just because Hardin's scholarship about medieval commons was bad doesn't mean our global world is not in itself a commons as the metaphor described it, and a useful thought experiment based on all the scholarship and debate that followed. And everyday people in a comment section who aren't environmental professionals aren't going to know the word "externality". So not that useful outside of a limited audience

[–] space_frog@lemmyfly.org 5 points 1 year ago

I love my 2017 Volt! I much prefer driving it to my in-law's enormous Dodge Ram and Audi Q7.

Long live the Volt!

[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gen1 Honda insight here to corroborate. Trucks seem to intentionally pull in front of me, even when driving reasonably above the limit, just to prove a point. It's dumb.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, and their headlights are at the perfect height for blinding me in the rear view