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Trump reportedly talked with Israel PM Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal in Gaza, fearing that this could help Vice President Kamala Harris win the U.S. presidential election (newrepublic.com)

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If reports are true, it would be a violation of the Logan Act.

“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”

Woodruff clarified on Wednesday that the anecdote was not based on her original reporting, but rather on an an Axios story last week that cited two U.S. sources as claiming that Trump and Netanyahu had spoken on the phone about cease-fire and Gaza hostage talks. Netanyahu’s office and Trump both separately denied the report.

“I did encourage him to get this over with. You want to get it over with fast. Have victory, get your victory, and get it over with. It has to stop, the killing has to stop,” Trump said at a New Jersey press conference on Thursday, referring to their meeting at Mar-a-Lago last month. But he also criticized cease-fire demands.

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[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So people need to vehemently denounce Trump once per hour or else they must obviously be siding with him...?

Seriously though, isn't it obvious? If you expect Trump to be terrible, why would you fly into a rage when he meets that expectation? By contrast, Biden is expected to be better than this, and yet isn't.

Pressure is applied where it is most effective. That is not and will never be anyone from the Republican party, because they openly and obviously do not give a fuck about any of us.

^(edited^ ^for^ ^kinder^ ^tone)^

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pressure is applied where it is most effective.

My point is, by complaining about the Dems and not about Trump you're undermining the likelihood of a Dem president.

The whole "genocide joe" narrative did not provide any benefit in Gaza, but significantly improved the chances of a Trump presidency.

Protesting outside the DNC is actively supporting a Trump presidency and worse outcomes in Gaza.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The whole “genocide joe” narrative did not provide any benefit in Gaza,

Biden's admin absolutely noticed the protests against him and it was because of that that we got a pause (however temporary) on some of the heavy ordnance sold to Israel. The uncommitted votes in the primaries did not go unnoticed either. Not to mention that absolutely none of us are suggesting Trump is a viable alternative to anyone (i.e. we are not discouraging voting against him), and that we'd protest just as fervently (if not more) if he did win.

All this however is placing the blame on us for standing up for what we believe in, and implicitly forgiving the Biden admin for the atrocities they enable — after all, if they wanted to secure their candidacy more, why not acquiesce? Everyone's all ready to criticize the people protesting to save lives, but not so much prepared to criticize the people enabling the killing?

Still, let's be generous and take this as true regardless. Once the election is over, are you willing to commit to joining us in protesting until the U.S. stops sending weapons to Israel, regardless of who wins?

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 4 months ago

I don't concede that the protests thus far have reduced any suffering I'm Gaza.

If you want to minimise suffering in Gaza, make sure Harris wins. Do these protests further that objective?

I understand you're not suggesting people vote for Trump, but that just gets lost in the noise. There's plenty of people that would see these protests and conclude that "both sides are bad" and simply not vote.

I still won't be protesting after the election. Firstly because im not in the US, but even if i was I just don't think it's a very effective use of time.