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This post is not about the anime and related works themselves, but the game as an element of the fictional world. Spoilers ahead.

SpoilersThere's the obvious: full immersion and "you die in real life", but I feel like there's more to the game that sets it apart.

First and foremost, progression in SAO was collective. For example, once a floor boss was beaten by anyone, a new floor would be unlocked for all players. This stands in contrast to existing MMOs, where players progress individually and interactions between them often feel optional. Of course, cooperative multiplayer games exist, but I can't recall a single one where this concept would be taken to a larger scale.

Secondly, since not all players needed to beat bosses, others could specialize. In most if not all RPGs there's a concept of classes and skill that impact how you beat the main story line and what side content you encounter, but in SAO you could make side aspects your main aspect, like the smiths we've seen in the series. I've found similar quality in multiplayer Factorio, a sandbox game of automation and tower-defense-like fighting, where oftentimes some players would focus on base building, while the others went out for combat.

It is mentioned in the series that quests are automatically created by the main system (what we would call procedural generation). While there were certainly hard-coded elements, infinite variety of procedural content is an interesting aspect, especially in times when almost all information about popular games can be looked up on numerous wikis. Starbound is a game that made heavy use of procedural planets, weapons, enemies and quests. For me similarities eventually became apparent and items lost the freshness, however the quality of being unable to perfectly min-max everything remained and I appreciated it.

Is there something else that you think SAO had, that existing games don't? Do you know other games that experiment with these concepts?

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[–] Veritrax@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As an actual game it was pretty terrible. Unique skills only being learnable by a single person, multiple nested menus to perform basic functions like equipping something, lots of questionable things like overtuned traps and trap rooms in low level areas.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, only melee builds. No ranged, no magic, no healers, no support. Everyone is either tank or DPS, that's it.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think this, in particular, makes the game bad as long as the game is designed around the lack of support.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That lack of variety would absolutely suck if you're not super into the specific gameplay it does offer. SAO would have a very small player base, because you'd never pull in those players who like support or backline roles.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No agrument there. I'm just saying that can't be labeled as 'bad game design' like the examples the TO listed can. I believe a game isn't required to aim for as many players as possible. An MMO only needs enough players to sell the illusion that there are other people with agency shaking up the world, and I believe you can achieve that with a couple thousand players. You can easily find tens of thousands of people that would play a melee only MMORPG, especially if it were full dive.

(This is, of course, handwaving the economics of funding an MMO)

[–] Eiri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

"Multiple nested menus to perform basic functions like equipping something"

Damn no need to roast Elden Ring alive like that! :D