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It's not just lemmy that's benefiting from Elon Musk.

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[–] Moob@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Foil hat time. Twitter was at one point a huge communications platform. People got news and opinions on daily happening almost immediately. He has successfully purchased that platform and destroyed the faith people had in it, in time for some of the most controversial events in recent history.

[–] appel@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, sure, assuming he doesn't mind paying for that with 44 billion of his own dollar bucks, the devaluation of his other companies and the evaporation of his personal reputation.

[–] Moob@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is where my conspiracy theory falls apart. It mainly rests on fact that most of these decisions seem deliberate. Even an idiot by this point might start worrying about the loss of money. As much as he has, 40bil is considerable.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not his money though, so your theory hasn't really fallen apart. Some of it his money but he's been hanging with the saudis and murdoch.

[–] glockenspiel@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

It is most definitely his money. He is using his real source of wealth, Tesla stock, as collateral to secure the loans. $44 billion worth of Tesla stock. And when you sell off a huge amount, as would happen in the case of the collateral being seized, it would tank the rest of his wealth which is mostly in non-collateralized (as far as we know, in relation to Twitter) Tesla stock. Investors knowing that $44 billion of Tesla stock will be liquidated--even if slowly--by creditors would make prices tank.

Elon's rich. Like all rich people, he is inherently immoral and opportunistic, holding no allegiance to his species nor country of residence ("world citizens" are a blight yet most countries still let them buy citizenship--that's true class solidarity while they get us fighting over stupid shit like transgender Chess Grandmasters). I have a feel that you are correct in that he's been earning money from the Saudis and Murdochs and many others. But the main source of his wealth is still in the market. A source which he pumped up with market manipulation because the SEC is a captured entity run exclusively for the benefit of the parasites at the top.

But it feels like arguing around the edges a bit. Elon is just not good at this. He has failed upward his entire life which is why he had to buy his way into basically every successful enterprise he is credited for. Rich people, especially nepo babies like Elon, don't succeed because they are better. They succeed because the upper class ensures that their class succeeds, because the alternative is the working class becoming their peers. And they can't have that.

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering that most of the market was stupidly overpriced, if you had 100b of worth in overpriced stock, and you had to choose between spending it or waiting for it to lose value over the next few months, what would you do?

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wouldn't buy Twitter, fire everyone, chase off a lot of the good people and then change the name. If I felt like Twitter was the only plan, I would have negotiated a fair price, worked with the people on what was already working and wasn't, kept everyone on until you knew how it ran, kept the worldwide, known name and probably paid my rent, lol. I'm not a "genius" in business, but I do know that this is probably the best I could have done.

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Okay okay, now add the egotistical jerk trait and reevaluate the scenario?

You forget that it was an impulse offer, and he thought that most people that work at the company did not deserve to work there. He grossl overestimated how many new slave devs would be willing to replace the devs he fired. Experienced devs still get good pay and offers they don't need to grind for cheap for Elon.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Can't relate, I have no idea.

[–] mibo80@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I just want to add he's used tweets to manipulate stock prices before and it put the SEC on his ass. He's familiar with how making public announcements like that can come across to the law at that point. Even though he wasn't punished he knew where he the line was drawn well before he "impulsively" crossed it. Twitter was a haven for actual journalism and journalists who live by ethics knowing damn well the consequences for libel and slander. The stories they pushed had a massive influence on undoing his image and it keeps going. Same with his Saudi co investor and Larry Ellison. These guys all know what it was really worth.

[–] mrginger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Tax write off perhaps?