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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Which is it?

Both. I didn't see the date, and also I like to pretend that the left is diverse and is capable of criticizing the Democratic party.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could have just admitted it was a mistake without the grandstanding. All Democrats criticize the Democratic Party - it’s like a requirement, and it doesn’t make you special.

Criticism is our strength, though it’s often viewed as a weakness by others. But that criticism needs to be grounded in facts and reality, or else it undercuts the actual germane and real criticisms that need to be discussed and acted on.

If your post was in error, as you said, delete it and post something constructive. Maybe even link to the same thing, note the age of the link, but ask what needs to be done to make sure this doesn’t happen again. That might actually be a useful discussion. Otherwise you’re just throwing metaphorical molotovs and doing unintended damage.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The only error is that someone else didn't post it in a more timely manner. I admire Black Lives Matter, and I enjoy signal boosting their voices. I think they have good ideas, the kind that deserve to be discussed in forums full of thinking people. The message from this statement is timeless, and I think you might benefit from reading it.

You can prevent this from happening in the future by following BLM's media accounts and posting their relevant statements before I do.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then my only advice would be to try and share in ways that are constructive rather than the opposite.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I disagree with that characterization.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then help me understand - how do you feel that sharing this without the correct context was constructive?

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Black Lives Matter's criticisms of Kamala's selection apply to more than the present moment. It's a principled argument against the anti-democratic nature of the Democratic Party. This didn't start with Kamala's ascension or when Joe Biden was handed the nomination without significant opposition, but has been a feature of the Democrats' playbook for a long time.

A party that positions itself as the defender of Democracy undermines and weakens its authority when its own party structures cynically undermine and sideline popular participation.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

I don’t disagree with any of that, but again that context wasn’t obvious in your original post.

Also, those anti-democratic tendencies are inherent in all large organizations. And yes, it takes constant pressure to limit it, but that pressure needs to have a laser-like focus to be effective - otherwise bureaucracy and inertia win. That said, I’ve been involved in politics for almost 40 years, and the cliquish, insular, shambling monstrosity of the DNC is a mess - but it’s still actually better run and more open than any nationwide Democratic or GOP political committee in this country’s history. I mean the bar is on the floor in that regards, but progress and success are possible if done smartly.