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35 crypto companies got together to make a change dot org petition called "Bitcoin Deserves an Emoji".

F that

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 222 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I don't mind there being an emoji for cryptocurrency. It's a relevant thing in modern society whether we like it or not, so there's no reason it should be excluded. But just not Bitcoin, specifically. Even though Bitcoin is the one that kicked off crypto, it's still a brand name, which would result in auto-rejection according to the Unicode Consortium's guidelines.

If there was a more general-purpose icon/symbol that could represent cryptocurrency in general, that'd be more appropriate. But it can't be Bitcoin.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They already have that, πŸ’©

[–] elvith@feddit.org 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] polumrak@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] elvith@feddit.org 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Its a coin emoji, but its one of those emoji that get rendered wildly different depending on which device (and software version) you’re viewing it on

[–] polumrak@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Wait it is a coin! What the what!

[–] polumrak@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Hah, poop coin! For me it's like realistic moon without face, just like Samsung quality moon photo.

[–] lisquid420@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago
[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

an emoji for cryptocurrency

πŸ’©πŸͺ™

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean it has its issues but a non regulated currency not controlled by a government is cool imo

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Its supposed benefits are vastly overshadowed by their only practical application: allowing online crime to flourish.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Criminals use what works. So therefore that means that crypto actually does its job as a real currency that cannot be controlled. Criminals also have a habit of using auto mobiles, guns, computers, shoes, etc.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If criminals only used cars from brand X and nobody else used brand X, it would be viewed the same.

There are plenty of currencies out there, which normal people use. Cryptocurrencies are mainly used by criminals though.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Chain analysis companies whose whole reason for existing is selling exchanges and governments software to track illicit cryptocurrency transactions show that less than 1% of transactions are illicit in nature. So I don't know how that means the majority of crypto is used for illicit finance.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Had to go out and find a source myself.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/cms/sites/default/files/documents/Europol%20Spotlight%20-%20Cryptocurrencies%20-%20Tracing%20the%20evolution%20of%20criminal%20finances.pdf

Private companies say less than 1%. Academia says around 20%. That's a huge difference to only cite one side of the story.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

That's a good point. It's pretty safe to assume that private companies would want to downplay it as much as possible and academia for governments and shit would want to play it up as much as possible. So the real number probably truly lies somewhere in between those two.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

Β―\_(ツ)_/Β― drug users gotta get their drugs

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[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

The main issue is that it tries to fix government trust issues with private actors trust issues. It's still trust issues

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I wouldn't think Bitcoin has, or can, be trademarked or copyrighted, as it is an open-source protocol/technology where even the creator is unknown?

Either way there isn't a generic symbol for cryptocurrency. This emoji will go the way of the save icon, where in a couple generations most people will have no idea what it relates to, but know that it's a symbol for cryptos.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I wouldn't think Bitcoin has, or can, be trademarked or copyrighted, as it is an open-source protocol/technology where even the creator is unknown?

It's still the name of a specific product/service. The issue is partly trademark/copyright, but also partly a matter of neutrality. The Unicode Consortium want to ensure that they're not directly or indirectly endorsing any specific products. If they added a Bitcoin logo, then you'd see every other crypto lining up to get their logos permanently installed on every person's devices, too. Free advertising for life on 99.99% of phones would be hard to pass up.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, we have a symbol for effectively any currency that anyone can or wants to fill out the paperwork for and can demonstrate the basics of "this is a meaningful symbol with more than transient relevance".

They added β‚Ώ in 2016.

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/Sc

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So, if there's already a symbol in Unicode, the petition doesn't make any sense. They should ask Google and Apple to display the symbol in the emoji list, with a control character to force it as emoji.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Totally. It's double weird, because it's not a petitionable issue, it's a form where you make your case and a committee decides, and they already have the symbol and they just seem to want it to be usable like πŸ’², which isn't a thing.

[–] beeb@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Surely the Tokyo tower is a specific product then? πŸ—ΌIt costs money to visit, aren't the other towers jealous?

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison

The Tokyo TowerπŸ—Ό(a specific building) does not justify adding the Eiffel Tower.

Many historical emoji violate current factors for inclusion. Once an emoji is encoded it cannot be removed from the Unicode Standard.

It was added when Unicode Consortium had different guidelines. They don’t accept specific buildings anymore.

Under automatically declined:

Specific buildings, structures, landmarks, or other locations, whether fictional, historic, or modern.

[–] beeb@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Thanks for the explanation

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The creator of bitcoin is as unknown as batman's identity. The folks at the center of the main blockchain companies and stuff like that all know pretty well who created it, they just play along with the story.

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

if this is true, there would be some evidence

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh, there is. But while they keep this game up, there's still plausible deniability for everything.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If whoever invented Bitcoin is still on this earth, they have a bit of a conundrum. Since we can track all transactions, and we know roughly how long Satoshi was mining the first bitcoins before other people got involved, those early accounts are sitting on over 1 million BTC. Even after today's dump, that's still over $50 billion. And for reference, the Koch family is 25th on Forbe's infamous list, estimated to be worth about $56B. So that person is one of the richest people on the planet.

However, those coins continue to remain unspent. And once they are moved in any transaction, the entire world will know. That leads to an inherent assumption that those 1M coins (out of 21M that can ever exist) must be irretrievably lost (due to their private keys being deleted), so most have taken that out of the active supply when estimating BTC value. Once they are moved, the price will probably crash -- at least 5%, but more likely much more than that. He is among the richest people in the world on paper, but if he moves any of it his wealth will collapse.

However, one doesn't have to move coins to prove they own them. Anyone with the private keys could cryptographically sign a message saying "I am Satoshi" with one of the early keys and immediately have 100% credibility. The fact that this hasn't happened means that those keys likely not longer exist. (I, personally, think Hal Finney took those keys to the grave with him, and Craig Wright is a big fat liar.)

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No single wallet has even close to 1 million Bitcoins. It's a public block chain and you can find a list of the largest wallets in a website like this: https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

Also, regarding the unfair advantage of the genesis block, Bitcoin's code was actually written in a way that prevents this balance from being transfered. It's forever locked in the wallet at this address: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

True, the Genesis Block is fixed, but it's speculated that Satoshi did most of the mining during Bitcoin's initial experiment. I have seen estimates online that the first 22k blocks were mined almost exclusively by Satoshi, all to different BTC addresses, 50 BTC each. Worth practically nothing back then but worth over 2.5M today. Every 10 minutes or so, Satoshi found another one.

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[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago

Satoshi Nakamoto is some kind of consipracy...?

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The problem with having cryptocurrency as emoji is agreeing on the specification how it should be drawn, and also make it different enough from already existing emojis such as coin πŸͺ™. It is not exactly a tangible thing.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why in the world would you have "emojis" as part of Unicode anyway?

We already have a way to have endless "emojis" without administrative stupidity, it's called JPEG.

If you need to show text as that, we've had smileys since 90s.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Would you rather send an entire JPEG over text message for an emoji? Or just 4 bytes of unicode right inline where you want it? Unicode having a standard set of emoji is actually incredibly useful and reduces complexity. I guess it would disincentivize πŸ‘ emoji πŸ‘ spam πŸ‘ to use JPEGs tho.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Just send the file hash and only download a copy if you don't have it.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'd send :-} and :-\ and =P and D= instead of an emoji. As the founding fathers intended.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

You do that. πŸ‘

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's even more use cases that come up, like being able to use emoji and other fancy symbols anywhere unicode is supported. So you can even program with them. People have taken that idea to the extreme just for fun: https://www.emojicode.org/

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think it should have an emoji either, but how does this rule apply to real currencies being emojis? I mean there is dollar banknote πŸ’΅ and yen banknote πŸ’΄ and euro banknote πŸ’Ά as separate emojis, not just a general money one. And honestly, even most of the emojis referencing anything that has to do with money uses dollar signs, i.e. $. Were these rules made after these emojis were already added?

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 13 points 4 months ago

It probably falls under faulty comparison:

https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison

Their guidelines change, and it’s possible these emoji were added with old guidelines. They can’t remove old emoji, which means specific buildings like Tokyo TowerπŸ—Όis an emoji, even if they prohibit the addition of specific buildings nowadays.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

I saw this get brought up a lot. I think the difference is that currency symbols generally don't refer to a specific currency. USD and AUS both use the $ symbol, for example. "Dollar" and "American Dollar" aren't the same thing since other types of dollars exist, and the symbols are still technically multi-purpose, whereas the β‚Ώ symbol technically refers only to Bitcoin.

That's my theory on the reasoning, at least.

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