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We need to eat. We don't need tol take joy in aninal deaths. These are different things and the meme is dumb.
Except you don't need to eat animals and so it is the same. You're killing animals for your entertainment, just because you eat them after that doesn't change anything.
you don't know what they need. and I seriously doubt they are killing for entertainment. I doubt they kill anything at all.
Paying someone to kill someone/something for you is still killing.
"but what if they have a medical condition that doesn't exist that I just made up"
Pretty unlikely.
most people don't do that, either
how do you think meat gets to the grocery store? someone has to kill an animal, and the person buying the meat typically pays money for it.
the person doing the killing is usually paid by someone but most people are neither killing nor paying the killers. they are both paid long before someone walks into a grocery store.
they are paid because people buy the products. if nobody bought the products, there would be no money in it. are you trying to say that people would be paid to kill animals even if nobody bought animal products?
i'm saying i know how linear time works, so i know that buying meat on a shelf can't have caused the animal it came from to be killed.
Its not buying it that causes the death, its that you've shown you want the meat, so the company is killing the animal to produce the meat for you to buy.
You want meat, they produce meat. You dont want meat, they stop producing meat.
meat production increases every year
Because more people want meat every year.
make any excuse you want, it is a fact that being vegan doesn't stop the growth of the industry.
so you're saying that they would just keep killing more and more animals to produce more and more meat even if nobody wanted to buy it?
no, that's a strawman.
please explain to me how what i wrote is different from what you wrote
what i wrote is that being vegan has not had the effect you are proposing it would. you are making up a scenario where it might work and asking why i don't think it would work in that scenario.
being vegan is literally about not supporting the meat industry, so i genuinely do not understand what you're trying to say. that one person alone being vegan won't make a difference? that not supporting the meat industry is the same as supporting the meat industry, which is demonstrably false? i don't know of a more easy and effective way for a single person to make a difference than to stop supporting it altogether, and broad change starts with individuals deciding to make that change.
and you can do that, but don't claim it's an
because you can see that it has not stopped the growth of the industry and it has not led to a shrinking of the industry.
yeah dude vegans make up a pretty small portion of the population, so of course the meat industry hasn't been just erased like magic. societal changes like this happen at a glacial pace and the idea is that more people become vegan over time and thus demand for those products gradually falls. even if 10% of the population went vegan, demand for those products would fall by 10% and there would be that many less animals killed for it because it would not be profitable.
to claim that it is ineffective is like claiming that eating healthy makes no difference from eating like shit after doing it for a single day and not seeing amazing results.
i don't know how you can prove this.
markets don't follow natural law like biology does.
i think you need to look up how supply and demand works. i've exhausted my "arguing with people on the internet who clearly don't want their minds changed" time for today, so have a good one.
i'm intimately aware of the price discovery theory you've mentioned, but it does not have any real predictive power, and it makes no claims about how production levels are impacted by markets.
ok? that doesn't change the effectiveness of being vegan.
I didn't say anything about a medical condition